Exactly. What has been asked here is a lot less, so there is no need to bring up that we aren't Alabama. A common fallacious response to the justified discontent over the product on the field.
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Exactly. What has been asked here is a lot less, so there is no need to bring up that we aren't Alabama. A common fallacious response to the justified discontent over the product on the field.
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And if not bottom, 9th place looks likely. It's really tough to brag from that low position.
Couple things...you know two years ago this team lost 5 games by single digits...5. Sure a loss is a loss but over the past 4-5 years we've had some really close games that didn't go our way...and I guess to be fair we've had some close wins too. Last year was just a disaster waiting to happen...we lost our top 2 interior Dlineman before camp. During the season we had a total of 42 starters miss games....42....42...that's absurd really. Avg year would be 22-23 or so. So like others have said excuses...you are damn right it's an excuse. We aren't Bama or Ohio st with another 5 star stud waiting to take over. Overall..am I happy with where this program is at? No I'm not. I really want CPR to succeed as he's a guy who would stay here for 20 years. I think he now has a staff who can recruit and are good coaches...Ayeni, lundquist, Eggen, Mangino...all really good coaches and Ayeni, Eggen and Linquist might be the best recruiters we've had at those positions. I know the next comments will be "have u seen our recruiting classes"? Yea I have and with 5 wins in two years can you imagine what it would be like without those guys?
Everything is in place for this program to take a big step forward...tremendous facilities, great new stadium essentially, tremendous fan support. It's why I think this season will go one of two ways..either 4 or less wins and CPR prob gone unfortunately or 7-8 wins and a breakout year. I just don't think there will be an in between. I'm leaning towards the later and it has nothing more to do than I think this team will be drastically improved barring injuries.
Everything is in place for this program to take a big step forward...tremendous facilities, great new stadium essentially, tremendous fan support. It's why I think this season will go one of two ways..either 4 or less wins and CPR prob gone unfortunately or 7-8 wins and a breakout year. I just don't think there will be an in between. I'm leaning towards the later and it has nothing more to do than I think this team will be drastically improved barring injuries.
Right, but is it crazy to think that with fewer injuries (read: more of our 1s playing consistently) that we might have gutted out 3-5 more wins in those close games?
I am excited for the season an the SEZ. Tail-gating always a good time and hope for the best with the new faces in the lineup. Not much more I can do since coaching decisions are not in my job description.
Ya, you point a lot of things out. We are all in the same boat. No one is happy of the overall success that we've had but things do happen. Not everything will go our way but you just have to keep on fighting and make the best of it.
3 to 5 more wins?
Yeah I'd say that is crazy.
Here are our deceits:
NDSU- 20 points
KSU- 4 points
Baylor- 21 points (probably worse than it looks, 35-7 at halftime)
Texas-3 points
OU- 45 points (Started 45-7)
OSU-17 points (37-13 before a garbage time TD)
KU- 20 points (started out 24-0)
Texas Tech- 3 points
WVU- 13 points
TCU- 52 points
So realistically we're talking about KSU, Texas, and Texas Tech as games that could have been gutted out with maybe one extra player or so. But on average, would we have won all 3? Probably not. And definitely not 5 more in any universe. And if we replayed the Iowa and Toledo games again, those were close enough that they could easily have gone the other way even with a Bundrage added or something like that.
It's easy to just say, "Oh well with one more player we win those three close games, and of course we would still win the two close games we already won, and oh KU and NDSU should be wins if we had 5 other wins on the schedule, so those would be too."
Reality is we weren't even competitive in 5 out of 12 games, and even the rash of injuries doesn't excuse that.
Don't want to hate on the team, just saying that there was a LOT wrong with it last year. Coaches just saying chemistry is better will not be enough to save the season. A ton of guys are going to have to step up.
I was waving the flag for the past 7 years with Rhoads and convinced every year was going to be the year we breakout, but these past two leave me with little to no confidence. I'll be pleasantly surprised if we are good. Lot's of pieces look like they're in place, but no more so than any other year IMO.
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I didn't say ONE more player. But I think with a healthy Farniok SBR and Bundrage we win the 3 you mentioned - TX TT and KSU.
With a now 5 win team, is morale as low as it became? Doubt it.
Woulda coulda shoulda but my point is if you're going to say we almost lost those single digit wins, you have to be willing to agree we almost won the single digit losses.
Except in Cyclone Fanaticland where logic is not required.
See description of osu game to understand why no one takes you guys seriously. Lol
The thing is it wasn't just one player.
half the line was missing, we had a new line up every game. And Farniok was injured which led the line.
our best reciever was out for the season.
our quarterback was banged up midway through the season
our tight end (who is now in the NFL) was banged up the last 3 games
our linebackers were injured
I could go on and on but it was just not "One person".
If we would of had 1/2 of them at 100%, I think we would of won more games so I don't think it's necessarily crazy to think we could have won 3 more games.
It's normal to take a step back to take a few steps forward. Last year was a rebuild year, the year before was just a fluke year... these last two years aren't and won't be the norm for CPR.
What team is injury free? We had more injuries than most but not every injury is this crazy freak occurrence.
Teams get injured. ISU has had two very bad years in a row, which may or may not be a coincidence.
And if you are going to add players back and replay the losses, replay the wins as well.
Add Farniok, Bundrage, a couple of the JUCO Dlinemen back who have never played D1 football before and replay Iowa, Toledo, TTech, Texas, and KSU do you think we go undefeated? I don't think so.
You can't just replay the losses and keep the wins.
Teams get injured. ISU has had two very bad years in a row, which may or may not be a coincidence.
And if you are going to add players back and replay the losses, replay the wins as well.
Add Farniok, Bundrage, a couple of the JUCO Dlinemen back who have never played D1 football before and replay Iowa, Toledo, TTech, Texas, and KSU do you think we go undefeated? I don't think so.
You can't just replay the losses and keep the wins.
You do understand that someone wouldn't believe that, just because there is absolutely nothing but conjecture and hope informing that opinion, right?
Maybe we breakout this year, but for anyone to confidently predict it seems crazy to me.
The offense certainly has tons of talent and we added some talented defenders, but there is still a whole lot with this team that is exactly the same as last year.
Good thing along with fixing the culture, fixing the injury problems was another offseason focus.
Why didn't they fix it before last year then?
You can't just fix injuries. The fact that you believe you can says a lot. You can convince yourself of anything.
Our strength coach left our team and we hired his protege? Are we convincing ourselves that Oyster is going to be far better or that McKnight was forced out? How are we spinning that as a positive?