CycloneErik
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I'm trying to figure out how a Hawkeye fan could sabotage our program by posting here. I'm pretty imaginative, but I'm struggling to put together a plausible scenario where that could work.
So close to being a solid team.
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I'm trying to figure out how a Hawkeye fan could sabotage our program by posting here. I'm pretty imaginative, but I'm struggling to put together a plausible scenario where that could work.
Some of you guys ******** about ISU losing close games to good teams need to go back and revisit ISU getting pounded into the dirt by Baylor last year, or go back even a few more years and look at some of the beating the Clones have taken.
ISU's best chances to beat good teams is to stay close and pull out the win at the end of games. This year the team has come much closer to beating several teams that kicked the snot out of them last year. Yes, it would be great to win a few of these, but at least the Cyclones have not been down by 35-70 points this year.
ISU's best chances to beat good teams is to stay close and pull out the win at the end of games. This year the team has come much closer to beating several teams that kicked the snot out of them last year. Yes, it would be great to win a few of these, but at least the Cyclones have not been down by 35-70 points this year.
You appear to at least have the ability to be reasonable, so I will give this a shot with you...
It isn't that we don't know how he coaches, it is that for the first THREE years, his recruiting hands were tied. You are simply not going to sign the lower level P5 recruits we do, when you are going to the MAC, or MWC, or Conference USA, or whatever amalgamation of leftovers we were going to be thrown in with.
We did not have any power in that situation. We won 7 games, including a bowl game, his first year. That should have been a great start to building momentum in this program. What happened? Every team in the country besides Iowa State, and about 3 other schools, was safe, EVERY reference to Iowa State was about how we were on the outside looking in.
How do you think that affected recruiting?
Then we go 5-7 the next year, and have a thrilling national TV game with Nebraska, that got people talking, and what happens next? Aggie and mizzu are going to the SEC, and then UT and the rest are going PACing, when Iowa State was referenced again, it was we are going to the mac, mwc, or whatever leftover conference.
Do you think that could have possibly affected recruiting?
The last three years, the quality of player has improved, you can see the young guys getting out there, and making plays. If you can not see the improvement from week one, then you should recuse yourself because you aren't watching the same team as everyone else (not you per se, but maybe you, definitely the rest of these folks continue to let their personal agendas cloud what they watch, its especially sweet to see them actually rooting against the team they claim to be a fan of).
You can see glimpses of what they can be. Noone is happy with 2-5. But there is 5 games left to see what happens. And if he is going to be fired, it ain't going to happen till the end of the season at the earliest. What good does the ******** do now?
I would think as a fan, and the football genius that you appear to be, you would see that this team has had some tough luck, and maybe now would be the time to support them.
What year was he hired? Interesting you omit those.
If you have to leave out facts to make your argument sound better, it's probably not a real good argument
Here's an issue I have with a firing:
For at least 4 out of 6 years, ISU was a better football team than their record showed on a national scale. This year, with an average B1G or ACC schedule, we are probably an 8 or nine win team. Move to the Big 12 and all of a sudden you play a 8 games against teams that are pretty decent to very good with one awful team. On top of that you have a good MAC team, another BCS team and the best FCS program there is. So we have a coach who has built a program that is probably pretty decent relative to our history considering that for a lot of the Big 12s year, OSU, Baylor, Tech, and COlorado were awful. Mac made his success off those years where he got the weak South. Oh, and Nebraska was marginal a lot of the time too. So I realize this is what we have to deal with but at the same time I feel like there is somewhere to fall and I realize that is not felt by others. Take Indiana. We are a better football team than them but the schedule is vast. They have a very legitimate bowl opportunity. Wins are what you are judged on. We have 2 which isn't good but this isn't a Chizik team that's losing by 40 and then beating downright awful teams to find it's 2 wins. I think with the offense moving in the direction it's moving and the fact we bring most of the defense back, along with this team being 2 plays from a winning record, I want to see what happens next year. A defensive change may not hurt my feelings though. We'll see what happens there.
For at least 4 out of 6 years, ISU was a better football team than their record showed on a national scale. This year, with an average B1G or ACC schedule, we are probably an 8 or nine win team. Move to the Big 12 and all of a sudden you play a 8 games against teams that are pretty decent to very good with one awful team. On top of that you have a good MAC team, another BCS team and the best FCS program there is. So we have a coach who has built a program that is probably pretty decent relative to our history considering that for a lot of the Big 12s year, OSU, Baylor, Tech, and COlorado were awful. Mac made his success off those years where he got the weak South. Oh, and Nebraska was marginal a lot of the time too. So I realize this is what we have to deal with but at the same time I feel like there is somewhere to fall and I realize that is not felt by others. Take Indiana. We are a better football team than them but the schedule is vast. They have a very legitimate bowl opportunity. Wins are what you are judged on. We have 2 which isn't good but this isn't a Chizik team that's losing by 40 and then beating downright awful teams to find it's 2 wins. I think with the offense moving in the direction it's moving and the fact we bring most of the defense back, along with this team being 2 plays from a winning record, I want to see what happens next year. A defensive change may not hurt my feelings though. We'll see what happens there.
I can do without a cold weather bowl. Besides, the school loses money on playing in the low tiered bowl games anyway. All those are good for is an extra couple weeks of practice and a chance to get somebody else hurt for next year.
This is why you guys look like such idiots. No one thinks that. If things aren't better next year with a lot of returning starters and in the second year of the offensive system, then it probably is time to look at a change. To **** and moan about it now is just childish. What have we lost, 5 or 6 defensive tackles. Pretty hard for anyone to field a decent defense with that. I see great improvement on the field, the best quarterback I've seen in years at ISU, and a team with heart. I believe wins will come sooner than later. If not, I will agree CPR should go as I'm sure will JP. This staff deserve 2015 to prove itself.
Thanks, I think I am reasonable just ask my Wife
. Not a football genius, but somebody who has been watching people and organizations for a long time. I've learned the hard way to trust what you see and be honest with yourself about what is really going on. First off, I reject your characterization of our recruiting 2010-2012. Many of the current starters came from that group (QBSR, Farniok, Bundrage, West, many others...) Now I will grant you, there were lots of guys that didn't make it to campus or got here and aren't here now (Pompei, Coe, Rodgers, Irving etc.). There are also some 3* guys who just haven't broken through. None of that has anything to do with re-alignment.
I actually like our roster TODAY. I see some good players and what appear to be high character guys. Kudos to CPR for bringing good kids to ISU. Man for man, our roster lined up and played Texas right down to the wire two years in a row. We played K State right down to the wire this year. For some reason, we didn't do that with ND State and OK State (both winnable games) and a bunch of other winnable games last year. I don't want the Coach fired now, but I do want said Coach to prove that he has the leadership and management skills to put his team in a position to succeed and to get the win. Way too many of these close games and must win situations have gone against ISU since that historic OK State win in 2011. I watch week after week, season after season and I observe "close calls" and losses piling up. I've also seen games where we are just flat out not ready to go when the ball is teed up.
There are five more opportunities in 2014 for this Coach to pull the program out of the trajectory it is in. As I have said before, I am rooting hard for him to do it. However, I will not wrap myself in the warm blanket of "we were close", "tough luck" or "next year." Losing can become a habit. So can winning. Let's see what happens over the next five games. But for goodness sake, let's be honest about what we see.
How about you read what he is quoting. Reading comprehension I know has always been a big struggle for you in the past.
There are certainly two sides to the coin. On one hand, we've looked competent in every game except for NDSU and to an extent Baylor. I think the pieces are in place to be a quality team and I'm excited to see an offense that looks to know what it's doing. These are huge strides from last year.
At the same time, this is what we've been saying for the past, what, 5 years now? "Hey, we're looking better but we just need to tighten up X and get Y back from injury, etc." At some point we have to start winning these games. I hate the notion "we are better than our record" because we aren't. Our record is all we are measured by.
At the same time, this is what we've been saying for the past, what, 5 years now? "Hey, we're looking better but we just need to tighten up X and get Y back from injury, etc." At some point we have to start winning these games. I hate the notion "we are better than our record" because we aren't. Our record is all we are measured by.
Ironic coming from you. So how about you read the post he was responding to, see the flawed response, and then go away.
Counting only the last 7 years, when Mac led us to a whopping 13-42 record from 95-99 when we were last in the conference all 4 years? That's the kind of bush league nonsense you embrace says a lot about you
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Ironic coming from a guy who has spent countless posts making stuff up to try to polish up his actual accomplishments