So close to being a solid team.
- Thread starter Istate
- Start date
Imo it will not work out. CPR coached teams have too high of failure rate on simple football plays.
That said, had CPR not failed so miserably in his offensive staff hirings the 2012 season had the chance to be a good enough peak year to justify this valley.
That said, had CPR not failed so miserably in his offensive staff hirings the 2012 season had the chance to be a good enough peak year to justify this valley.
How many times, and in how many ways, can you say the same thing? Blah blah blah...
Last edited:
This is essentially how I see Rhoads's trajectory at Iowa State so far.
Year 1: Team somehow makes a bowl. Much better than previous three seasons under Chizik and McCarney.
Year 2: Team is better, but faces a tougher schedule and misses out on a bowl.
Year 3: Some steady progress creates a decent football team, but a tough schedule once again keeps them from being special.
Year 4: Rhoads's best team, but Herman leaving and Messingham being hired keep them from winning eight or nine games.
Year 5: By far Rhoads's worst team, it becomes evident changes must be made to right the ship or CPR will be out of a job.
Year 6: Trend starts to move upward again in part because of the overhaul on the offensive staff. Team is much better than year five, and arguably better than years one and two.
That's why I see an upward trend. Rhoads isn't immune to firing, and has to get things turned around within the next fourteen months, but the fact that he was a good OC away from winning eight or nine games in 2012 is very encouraging to me. Now he has that OC, but time is certainly running out for him to get things turned around.
Year 1: Team somehow makes a bowl. Much better than previous three seasons under Chizik and McCarney.
Year 2: Team is better, but faces a tougher schedule and misses out on a bowl.
Year 3: Some steady progress creates a decent football team, but a tough schedule once again keeps them from being special.
Year 4: Rhoads's best team, but Herman leaving and Messingham being hired keep them from winning eight or nine games.
Year 5: By far Rhoads's worst team, it becomes evident changes must be made to right the ship or CPR will be out of a job.
Year 6: Trend starts to move upward again in part because of the overhaul on the offensive staff. Team is much better than year five, and arguably better than years one and two.
That's why I see an upward trend. Rhoads isn't immune to firing, and has to get things turned around within the next fourteen months, but the fact that he was a good OC away from winning eight or nine games in 2012 is very encouraging to me. Now he has that OC, but time is certainly running out for him to get things turned around.
I think they are aware of his ablities and comfortable with them. I believe that this is the second year of a rebuilding and expect
bowl seasons in 15 and 16. I think he could be a better coach but hope he figures some pieces out. I don't think that not being Bill Snyder is a good enough reason to fire someone as only Bill Snyder has had that kind of sustained success at a bottom dwellor northern school. I hope he can become close to that, and maybe he can once the wizard retires and we have a couple kansas cupcakes to beat up on and less competition for northern recruits.
Progression and regression are almost never perfectly linear (hoiberg is about as close to linear progression as I have seen). It is undeniable that progression however has occurred under Rhoads. His teams (even this years) have been on average better than any cyclone teams in my lifetime. ISU was a perrenial 100ish team even during most of the McCarney years. We are now in the 50-60 range pretty consistently and in 2012 were in the 30-50 range. Schedule has masked this but judging performance solely on # of wins is the kind of flawed simpelton logic that hawkeye fans use. We are not a bad team, we played bad vs. Ndst. Have played pretty soldi ball since and getting better. If we aren't back to six wins next year I will agree we should move on but I don't anticipate that will be the case. I see a good football team next year and the foreseeable future.
Chizik basically had the same schedule as Rhoads. Chizik only won 2 games and he was winless in the big 12 conference.
That's not even close to true, here's the Sagarin rankings for McCarney's teams from 2000 on: 28, 40, 35, 106, 52, 30, 90. McCarney had four teams which were ranked in the top 40 in his final seven years, Rhoads has had one in six years. If you have to make up facts to make your argument sound better, it's probably not a real good argument.
What would you call 2-5 overall and 0-5 in the Big 12 then? You can't call Kansas a bad team then either at this point.
By your logic, and if you go by record alone, then Iowa is pretty ******* good, huh? But somehow we managed to beat them.
I wouldn't call it anything, because simply looking at record tells you very little.
You are right. How dare anyone say anything positive or give a thoughtful analysis because all they people screaming for the coaches jobs would have to ADMIT they were wrong.
The point is that some of you will dismiss our win against Iowa because they are a bad team, but by your logic we actually beat a good team that day.
