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So close to being a solid team.

We can't put together one whole game as a team... We get one or two phases of the game, not all three. If our D plays like it did in the first half against OSU, first quarter against Baylor, and most of the game against Iowa, we can win. If our offense plays like they did in the first half against KSU and in the games against Toledo and Texas, we can win. Special teams has been inconsistent as well-- we've had return TD's and we've given up 50 yard onside kicks. This isn't a situation where we only have one step to take, it's a situation where we need one complete game from all units.

Call me a homer, but I feel like we can hang within a TD of the Sooners if our offense plays like it did during the last two weeks and our defense plays like it did earlier in the year. We're inconsistent, and unfortunately we have to play OU next. This would be a great week for either Tech, WVU or KU.
 
Stormin said:
Chizik's 2 seasons are far less than even these last 1 and 1/2 seasons IMO.

So it seems that you are not sure about Rhoads. That is a far cry from statements like, "he is not the man for the job". In one case you are indecisive and waiting to make judgement. In the other, your mind is made up.

So pretty much everyone is in agreement that we are in a wait and see position over the next year and a half at least on what happens on the football field. IMO, it is best to give support and present a positive attitude in supporting the team over that period. Comment in a manner that is constructive criticism rather than negativity. There is a difference.
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I'm sorry that some of the things I say go against the grain here on cyclonefantasies.com, but there is plenty of evidence that supports that the last 1.5 years have been comparable to Chiziks and I have done this with facts and numbers. The people that say it isn't comparable just say "well, I don't think it is IMO" or "we were blown out way more under Chizik" and don't back it up with anything.

Also, I don't think the wait and see needs to go on into next year necessarily. It will no matter what, but we are going to have a pretty good idea by the end of the year. Honestly, I think we have a pretty good idea right now based on the evidence. I would say I have mostly made up my mind.
 
I think it is great for some people to believe that they have enough information to decide on the current coaching staff now or by the end of the year. More power to you, I'm not going to make fun of you. I don't think it is unreasonable for others to say that they are willing to give a new OC one year to implement his system and the next year (or even two, believe it or not) to see how that translates onto the field.

By the way, if you have a problem with Cyclonefanatic.com, then just leave it rather than making fun of it. It is ridiculous that people spend so much time on this awesome free site and then find it necessary to poke fun at it.
 
awd4cy said:
I'm sorry that some of the things I say go against the grain here on cyclonefantasies.com, but there is plenty of evidence that supports that the last 1.5 years have been comparable to Chiziks and I have done this with facts and numbers. The people that say it isn't comparable just say "well, I don't think it is IMO" or "we were blown out way more under Chizik" and don't back it up with anything.

Also, I don't think the wait and see needs to go on into next year necessarily. It will no matter what, but we are going to have a pretty good idea by the end of the year. Honestly, I think we have a pretty good idea right now based on the evidence. I would say I have mostly made up my mind.
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The Stats do not back up your argument. Using Jeff Sagarin Football Ratings for ranking and for schedule strength reveals the following. Rhoads teams are much better and have generally tougher schedules except for 2009.

2007 Team Ranking 92 Schedule Ranking 20

2008 Team Ranking 114 Schedule Ranking 51

2009 Team Ranking 66 Schedule Ranking 71

2010 Team Ranking 65 Schedule Ranking 24

2011 Team Ranking 43 Schedule Ranking 2

2012 Team Ranking 55 Schedule Ranking 11

2013 Team Ranking 72 Schedule Ranking 23

2014 Team Ranking 66 Schedule Ranking 14


NONE of Rhoads' Teams were as bad as Chizik's. NONE. And it is not even close.
 
awd4cy said:
I'm sorry that some of the things I say go against the grain here on cyclonefantasies.com, but there is plenty of evidence that supports that the last 1.5 years have been comparable to Chiziks and I have done this with facts and numbers. The people that say it isn't comparable just say "well, I don't think it is IMO" or "we were blown out way more under Chizik" and don't back it up with anything.

Also, I don't think the wait and see needs to go on into next year necessarily. It will no matter what, but we are going to have a pretty good idea by the end of the year. Honestly, I think we have a pretty good idea right now based on the evidence. I would say I have mostly made up my mind.
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Yeah, people have backed it up but then you get a bunch of **** about the things they say not being relevant like the fact that we played **** for teams compared to the ones we play now. KSU was bad then. Colorado was bad then, KU was better but they weren't as good as KSU is now. Nebraska wasn't all that good. aTm was okay.

If you want to say that comparing to Chizik's record doesn't matter and we shouldn't measure based on that, that's great and I agree but don't act like you have some sort of advantage in the comparison when you don't. I watched that 50 something to something blowout by Texas that should have been 70 something. I watched that KU collapse. I would much rather watch this team now than that team then.
 
awd4cy said:
It's funny you always make that comment. All you had to do was watch that game with your own eyes. We were totally dominated in the first 30 minutes and it was well over by halftime. Anyone who doesn't think we were manhandled are fooling themselves.
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We were physically dominated by OSU? I must have screwed up and watched the USC/Oregon state game or something then.
 
Tre4ISU said:
Yeah, people have backed it up but then you get a bunch of **** about the things they say not being relevant like the fact that we played **** for teams compared to the ones we play now. KSU was bad then. Colorado was bad then, KU was better but they weren't as good as KSU is now. Nebraska wasn't all that good. aTm was okay.

If you want to say that comparing to Chizik's record doesn't matter and we shouldn't measure based on that, that's great and I agree but don't act like you have some sort of advantage in the comparison when you don't. I watched that 50 something to something blowout by Texas that should have been 70 something. I watched that KU collapse. I would much rather watch this team now than that team then.
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I have backed up my rebuttal with the Sagarin Rankings of Team Strength and Schedule Strength. We have been a very mediocre team under Coach Rhoads. We were a terrible team under Coach Chizik. Trying to make a claim that Chizik Teams and Rhoads Teams were comparable is absolutely false........and I have backed it up with evidence.

Yet awd4cy still clings to his rhetoric rather than backing up his claims with evidence.
 
Stormin said:
The Stats do not back up your argument. Using Jeff Sagarin Football Ratings for ranking and for schedule strength reveals the following. Rhoads teams are much better and have generally tougher schedules except for 2009.

2007 Team Ranking 92 Schedule Ranking 20

2008 Team Ranking 114 Schedule Ranking 51

2009 Team Ranking 66 Schedule Ranking 71

2010 Team Ranking 65 Schedule Ranking 24

2011 Team Ranking 43 Schedule Ranking 2

2012 Team Ranking 55 Schedule Ranking 11

2013 Team Ranking 72 Schedule Ranking 23

2014 Team Ranking 66 Schedule Ranking 14


NONE of Rhoads' Teams were as bad as Chizik's. NONE. And it is not even close.
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You don't need to use strength of schedule rankings. Those are accounted for in Sagarin rankings.. Ok well good, you used fact instead of saying "IMO." I also did say they were comparable in areas. I didn't say that Chiziks teams were better.
 
I like Velo's approach. Why are we fighting with each other about our opinion of Rhoads? We can all make sound arguments that our feeling is justified. But we are on Cyclonefanatic.com, and most of us are ****** about our record the last 100 years, minus 6-10 of them.

Some of us just know that we can't afford to buy out Rhoads' contract, and many of us wouldn't want to do it even if we could. Some of us just plan to look at the positives to get us through the losing times. Others look at the negatives and want a change now. Since it's not going to happen now, or in the near future, choose to deal with it in your own way.

My only issue of the constant ******** about Rhoads can't be good for the recruits trying to decide where to sign. Other coaches use everything they can to bad mouth a program. "Word on the street is that Rhoads is on the way out, why would you sign with ISU?" I'm a recruit, "what ARE the fans saying about this coach and team?" I know that many of you will say that those guys don't look at these message boards, but I guarantee that they do.

Again, do what you want, but I think that the ones trying to diffuse the negative posters aren't doing so because we don't see that we have issues. We just believe we see improvement and we HOPE that it continues and translates to victories.
 
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stateofmind said:
I like Velo's approach. Why are we fighting with each other about our opinion of Rhoads? We can all make sound arguments that our feeling is justified. But we are on Cyclonefanatic.com, and most of us are ****** about our record the last 100 years, minus 6-10 of them.

Some of us just know that we can't afford to buy out Rhoads' contract, and many of us wouldn't want to do it even if we could. Some of us just plan to look at the positives to get us through the losing times. Others look at the negatives and want a change now. Since it's not going to happen now, or in the near future, choose to deal with it in your own way.

My only issue of the constant ******** about Rhoads can't be good for the recruits trying to decide where to sign. Other coaches use everything they can to bad mouth a program. "Word on the street is that Rhoads is on the way out, why would you sign with ISU?" I'm a recruit, "what ARE the fans saying about this coach and team?" I know that many of you will say that those guys don't look at these message boards, but I guarantee that they do.

Again, do what you want, but I think that the ones trying to diffuse the negative posters aren't doing so because we don't see that we have issues. We just believe we see improvement and we HOPE that it continues and translates to victories.
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That was pretty damn well said.
 
swarthmoreCY said:
If we had the cash, we need at least 10 wins in the next 17 to avoid having to make a change.

Imo we will have to make a move eventually, and so if just about football, should make the move immediately (at the end of the year in this case). We can't, so I can appreciate those able to keep putting lipstick on this pig.

We are staring at winning a couple more games this year, next season get to 5 or 6 wins in a peak year roster wise and we hear about all the improvement, then go back to the valley accompained by a roster dip and the transition to new coordinators and their staffs.
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Again, why do you put yourself through all the misery? It hurts just listening to you. Keep ur chin up, fella.
 
No one knows what next year will be like. No one even knows what the next game will be like. I think we should all just enjoy football, instead of complain. I know I have my complaints about the team, but we're making it not fun. Even Williams is asking for moderation on the boards, and he normally stays out of the politics on here.
 
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