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So close to being a solid team.

cylove said:
Ironic coming from you. So how about you read the post he was responding to, see the flawed response, and then go away.

Counting only the last 7 years, when Mac led us to a whopping 13-42 record from 95-99 when we were last in the conference all 4 years? That's the kind of bush league nonsense you embrace says a lot about you
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CyJack was proving the point that a poster tried to say that most every one of Dan McCarney's teams were all nearly ranked near 100. I think pointing to 6 years of that not even close to being true in his 12 year career shows that, hey we really weren't ranked around 100 almost every year under McCarney.
 
cylove said:
Ironic coming from you. So how about you read the post he was responding to, see the flawed response, and then go away.

Counting only the last 7 years, when Mac led us to a whopping 13-42 record from 95-99 when we were last in the conference all 4 years? That's the kind of bush league nonsense you embrace says a lot about you
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Honest question, do you know what the word perennial means? Regardless of where we finished for the first four years of McCarney's tenure, I only needed the last seven years to prove my point, but if you want to go back further we finished both 1998 and 1999 ranked 68th in the country, also nowhere close to the 100 range where the previous poster claimed ISU was "perennially" ranked under McCartney. I can't find Sagarin rankings from before '98, but if you want to find and post those, go right ahead.
 
Tre4ISU said:
Here's an issue I have with a firing:

For at least 4 out of 6 years, ISU was a better football team than their record showed on a national scale. This year, with an average B1G or ACC schedule, we are probably an 8 or nine win team. Move to the Big 12 and all of a sudden you play a 8 games against teams that are pretty decent to very good with one awful team. On top of that you have a good MAC team, another BCS team and the best FCS program there is. So we have a coach who has built a program that is probably pretty decent relative to our history considering that for a lot of the Big 12s year, OSU, Baylor, Tech, and COlorado were awful. Mac made his success off those years where he got the weak South. Oh, and Nebraska was marginal a lot of the time too. So I realize this is what we have to deal with but at the same time I feel like there is somewhere to fall and I realize that is not felt by others. Take Indiana. We are a better football team than them but the schedule is vast. They have a very legitimate bowl opportunity. Wins are what you are judged on. We have 2 which isn't good but this isn't a Chizik team that's losing by 40 and then beating downright awful teams to find it's 2 wins. I think with the offense moving in the direction it's moving and the fact we bring most of the defense back, along with this team being 2 plays from a winning record, I want to see what happens next year. A defensive change may not hurt my feelings though. We'll see what happens there.
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I don't have an issue with making observations about the schedule. But this is the schedule we're going to play every year. If we are improving 10% per year and the other teams are improving 11%, we are losing ground.

In my opinion, the most likely means of clawing our way up the standings a couple of spots is coaching attrition around the conference. I so hoped Briles would get hired by the Redskins last year. We need fewer Stoops, Pattersons, Gundys, and Snyders and more Ron Princes, John Blakes, Kevin Steeles, and John Mackovics. I am not impressed with Rhoads thus far, but the chance of us catching lightning in a bottle with any coach is almost zero, just as it is in any other comparable program. Until the conference comes back to us a little bit, it is going to continue to be very difficult and there's no point in speculating how we would do in the Big 10 or the ACC.
 
Clonefan32 said:
There are certainly two sides to the coin. On one hand, we've looked competent in every game except for NDSU and to an extent Baylor. I think the pieces are in place to be a quality team and I'm excited to see an offense that looks to know what it's doing. These are huge strides from last year.

At the same time, this is what we've been saying for the past, what, 5 years now? "Hey, we're looking better but we just need to tighten up X and get Y back from injury, etc." At some point we have to start winning these games. I hate the notion "we are better than our record" because we aren't. Our record is all we are measured by.
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To refine that a little further. What's our record against the bottom half of the conference? (below .500) Against FCS? (Barely above .500). The talent is here today to go 6-6 at least. Some other things seem to missing in these key moments: execution, poise, mental toughness etc. Let's find some of that these last five games. The only year that matters right now is this year. The only game that matters is the next one. It ain't rocket science. Find a way to win (see 75 year old man in Manhattan KS or middle aged guy from Iowa in Morgantown WV).
 
norcalcy said:
Thanks, I think I am reasonable just ask my Wife:rolleyes:. Not a football genius, but somebody who has been watching people and organizations for a long time. I've learned the hard way to trust what you see and be honest with yourself about what is really going on.

First off, I reject your characterization of our recruiting 2010-2012. Many of the current starters came from that group (QBSR, Farniok, Bundrage, West, many others...) Now I will grant you, there were lots of guys that didn't make it to campus or got here and aren't here now (Pompei, Coe, Rodgers, Irving etc.). There are also some 3* guys who just haven't broken through. None of that has anything to do with re-alignment.

I actually like our roster TODAY. I see some good players and what appear to be high character guys. Kudos to CPR for bringing good kids to ISU. Man for man, our roster lined up and played Texas right down to the wire two years in a row. We played K State right down to the wire this year. For some reason, we didn't do that with ND State and OK State (both winnable games) and a bunch of other winnable games last year. I don't want the Coach fired now, but I do want said Coach to prove that he has the leadership and management skills to put his team in a position to succeed and to get the win. Way too many of these close games and must win situations have gone against ISU since that historic OK State win in 2011. I watch week after week, season after season and I observe "close calls" and losses piling up. I've also seen games where we are just flat out not ready to go when the ball is teed up.

There are five more opportunities in 2014 for this Coach to pull the program out of the trajectory it is in. As I have said before, I am rooting hard for him to do it. However, I will not wrap myself in the warm blanket of "we were close", "tough luck" or "next year." Losing can become a habit. So can winning. Let's see what happens over the next five games. But for goodness sake, let's be honest about what we see.
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If you really don't think that rumors and speculation where Iowa State was directly referenced as one team that would be demoted out of a bcs conference didn't directly affect recruiting, I just wasted a **** load of typing on you.
 
awd4cy said:
CyJack was proving the point that a poster tried to say that most every one of Dan McCarney's teams were all nearly ranked near 100. I think pointing to 6 years of that not even close to being true in his 12 year career shows that, hey we really weren't ranked around 100 almost every year under McCarney.
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I would like to point out one thing. Out of the 6 years that were referenced to: In 4 of those 6 years we did NOT play Oklahoma, Texas, or Texas Tech. So we had the easy schedules in 4 of those years.
 
Stormin said:
I would like to point out one thing. Out of the 6 years that were referenced to: In 4 of those 6 years we did NOT play Oklahoma, Texas, or Texas Tech. So we had the easy schedules in 4 of those years.
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Sagarin rankings account for strength of schedule.
 
cylove said:
If you really don't think that rumors and speculation where Iowa State was directly referenced as one team that would be demoted out of a bcs conference didn't directly affect recruiting, I just wasted a **** load of typing on you.
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What BS. Baylor was going to be "left out" also. Did it affect their recruiting? How about K-State? They were in the same boat as ISU too. Did being rumored to be "left out" affect our men's bb recruiting? Women's BB? Volleyball? Good grief...
 
Tornado man said:
What BS. Baylor was going to be "left out" also. Did it affect their recruiting? How about K-State? They were in the same boat as ISU too. Did being rumored to be "left out" affect our men's bb recruiting? Women's BB? Volleyball? Good grief...
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Very naive of you to think that it is apples to apples when you discuss recruiting for football as opposed to basketball, let alone any other sport. Of course the upheaval of conference realignment had a significant impact on Iowa State Football recruiting. Doesn't excuse anything; just explains the additional challenges we have to overcome.
 
Tornado man said:
What BS. Baylor was going to be "left out" also. Did it affect their recruiting? How about K-State? They were in the same boat as ISU too. Did being rumored to be "left out" affect our men's bb recruiting? Women's BB? Volleyball? Good grief...
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"OH, HAI, LOOK AT OUR HEISMAN QB"

And they weren't going to be left out.
 
Tornado man said:
What BS. Baylor was going to be "left out" also. Did it affect their recruiting? How about K-State? They were in the same boat as ISU too. Did being rumored to be "left out" affect our men's bb recruiting? Women's BB? Volleyball? Good grief...
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Oh please...I will bet you anything that when CPR was loved here, and his stature was at its peak, you tried to give your hero credit for hiring him on his staff.

I will also bet that when CPR coached up a bunch of the garbage that he left behind, you tried to give your hero credit there for recruiting them as well.

You really think Baylor and Iowa State face the same challenges??? Wow Of course your agenda to defend the man that beat and choked a woman goes beyond creepy any way.
 
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CyJack13 said:
Honest question, do you know what the word perennial means? Regardless of where we finished for the first four years of McCarney's tenure, I only needed the last seven years to prove my point, but if you want to go back further we finished both 1998 and 1999 ranked 68th in the country, also nowhere close to the 100 range where the previous poster claimed ISU was "perennially" ranked under McCartney. I can't find Sagarin rankings from before '98, but if you want to find and post those, go right ahead.
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Of course I know what perenial means, it's like when a coach finishes last in the conference in 6 of his 12 seasons, he is perenially a last place coach.

And you are correct with sagarin. I know I do forget that there are all those smaller mac schools, conference usa. and independents that should always be rated lower than a BCS school. I was mistaken, because I never considered those schools.

Can you link where Iowa State was rated in relation to what are now considered P5 schools? I think that may be a better evaluation. So I will ask that question so at least we can have perspective as to where we rated over the past 15-20 years.
 
norcalcy said:
As of June 2010, there were five schools looking like they were going to be left out. ISU was not on an island alone.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/headlines/20100615-How-it-all-happened-A-443.ece
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Do you even remember what happened?

And in terms of those schools, amazingly enough Mizzu had the prestige to be invited to the SEC just a year later. That shows they had nothing to worry about.

Kansas basketball makes them attractive east and west, nothing to worry about. Iowa State and K State were the ones in serious trouble.

K State just happens to be coached by a genius, one of the all time greats. Look what happened the three years he was not the coach there. He is rightfully a hall of fame coach, and better than CPR, as well as 99% of the rest of the people in the business
 
BoxsterCy said:
cylove doe not really appear to love some of you guy.

No worries, I still love you guys!
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I love Iowa State sports. I don't love people who openly root against Iowa State sports, while claiming to be a fan.

I have no respect or tolerance for any man that abuses a woman, but I still rooted for Iowa State when Mac was the coach because he was the coach of my favorite team.
 
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