Tulsa as 2 point favorite........

[LoyalSon]

I just read about 16 pages of posts on this thread and not one person has even talked about how point spreads work and what the point of them even is. It's not so much about who is actually going to win the game on the field that day- Vegas couldnt care less about that. It's about setting a line, and then moving that line accordingly as gameday approaches, so that there's an equal amount if $ being put on each side.

So when you see the line move one direction or another, it has NOTHING to do with what Vegas predicts as the outcome of the game, but rather because they need to get people on the other side to bet more money to even it out. It's hedging, that's all they're doing.

So everyone that's getting upset because we aren't "favored", what Vegas is telling us is that by placing the line at ISU +2 they are going to get an equal amount if money bet on each team. It has nothing to do with who they think is better or who wins. It's 100% about the gamblers out there and where they're pitting their bets.

 

[TheSocialGadfly]

Rhoads has never lost to a non-BCS school. The day will come, but it won't be here.

Utah 68 - Iowa State 27
9 October 2010, Ames, IA

A point worth mentioning is that Iowa State has faced only six non-BCS opponents during the Rhoads era. Of those six opponents, three were FCS (aka Division IAA), so let us discount those for now (for what should be obvious reasons).

Omitting the wins over FCS opponents, Rhoads is 2-1 versus non-BCS opponents. Is such a record (not to mention the small sample size) justification to write off Tulsa as an automatic win on the falsified premise that "Rhoads has never lost to a non-BCS school?"

Iowa State may win the battle against Tulsa, but to suggest that the Cyclones will prevail because of Rhoads' history versus non-BCS teams is to abandon reasoning. That said, I just want to watch a good football game.

 

[Maplewurst]

Glad we are underdogs in this one. Hopefully it keeps the team from overlooking it because it's just "Tulsa".

... since I have no children to feed and my wife already starves herself to death, not by meaning.... ... I am All -In on Cyclonefanatic points and "10 large" of the real on the CLONES....:smile:.... ppfffttttt....

.. WE ARE ALWAYS THE UNDERDOGS !!!... F- IM:realmad:

 

[cyhiphopp]

Utah 68 - Iowa State 27
9 October 2010, Ames, IA

A point worth mentioning is that Iowa State has faced only six non-BCS opponents during the Rhoads era. Of those six opponents, three were FCS (aka Division IAA), so let us discount those for now (for what should be obvious reasons).

Omitting the wins over FCS opponents, Rhoads is 2-1 versus non-BCS opponents. Is such a record (not to mention the small sample size) justification to write off Tulsa as an automatic win on the falsified premise that "Rhoads has never lost to a non-BCS school?"

Iowa State may win the battle against Tulsa, but to suggest that the Cyclones will prevail because of Rhoads' history versus non-BCS teams is to abandon reasoning. That said, I just want to watch a good football game.

2012 Tulsa is not 2010 Utah.

2012 ISU is not 2010 ISU.

Noone is writing off Tulsa. Most in this thread have said they expect a tough game especially because ISU has struggled at times in the first game of the year.

Those who are predicting blowouts are mostly being sarcastic from what I can tell.

I think Tulsa will make a game of it their depth will show in the 4th quarter. ISU wins by about a touchdown.

 

[CYphyllis]

Due to a total lack of interest in teams that aren't in major conferences, I don't know anything about Tulsa.

With that being said, I fully expect ISU to crush them.

 

[TheSocialGadfly]

2012 Tulsa is not 2010 Utah.

2012 ISU is not 2010 ISU.

I never claimed that 2012 Tulsa was 2010 Utah, nor did I claim that 2010 Iowa State was 2012 Iowa State; I simply pointed out that a Rhoads-led Iowa State team had lost to a non-BCS opponent.

 

[Maplewurst]

I just read about 16 pages of posts on this thread and not one person has even talked about how point spreads work and what the point of them even is. It's not so much about who is actually going to win the game on the field that day- Vegas couldnt care less about that. It's about setting a line, and then moving that line accordingly as gameday approaches, so that there's an equal amount if $ being put on each side.

So when you see the line move one direction or another, it has NOTHING to do with what Vegas predicts as the outcome of the game, but rather because they need to get people on the other side to bet more money to even it out. It's hedging, that's all they're doing.

So everyone that's getting upset because we aren't "favored", what Vegas is telling us is that by placing the line at ISU +2 they are going to get an equal amount if money bet on each team. It has nothing to do with who they think is better or who wins. It's 100% about the gamblers out there and where they're pitting their bets.

Buy ISU today ... sell Tulsa 1 minute before kickoff

 

[TheSocialGadfly]

Due to a total lack of interest in teams that aren't in major conferences, I don't know anything about Tulsa.

Would you have lost interest in Iowa State if the Big 12 had dissolved several years ago and the university were left seeking membership in Conference USA or the Mid-America Conference?

By virtue of its conference affiliation, Iowa State enjoys revenue that Tulsa may never see. But keep in mind that Iowa State has done little more than ride the coattails of successful programs like Oklahoma, Nebraska (during the Big 8 era), Texas, and Texas A&M (during the Big 12 era) throughout its history. Without the Big 12 to call home, Iowa State is largely an unrecognizable program.

Perhaps if Tulsa were a state school instead of a private institution, it may have been welcomed into the Big 8. I don't know; I can only speculate without conducting research. But I do know that Tulsa has historically been a better football program than Iowa State. If Tulsa were accepted into the Big 8 instead of Iowa State, the Golden Hurricane might have yielded a lot of success as opposed to becoming a favorite for homecoming scheduling. I mean no disrespect by my statements, but it's by the sheerest chance that Iowa State is in the Big 12 instead of Tulsa. So please, try to refrain from being dismissive on account of Tulsa's conference affiliation.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I never claimed that 2012 Tulsa was 2010 Utah, nor did I claim that 2010 Iowa State was 2012 Iowa State; I simply pointed out that a Rhoads-led Iowa State team had lost to a non-BCS opponent.

Well, Utah is obviously in a BCS conference now. And you probably didn't notice that UNI was a top 5 or top 10 FCS team both times we played them. And I believe the other one was North Dakota State right? They weren't that good admittedly. And it depend on how you count Army, since they are independent. They probably count as BCS I guess. The point is, when you look at non conference opponents who are not named Iowa, Rhoads has only lost one game, to a top 5 Utah team. That is the point that people are making.

This game feels exactly like the Northern Illinois game. They were near the top 25 at the time and finished the season there. A lot of people were worried about losing to them. We ended up winning by 20 or so. And that was two years ago. Our team is leaps and bounds better. Tulsa is a good team, but I expect to beat them and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a close game or if we won by a couple TDs.

 

[VeloClone]

Gadfly, kindly adjust your sarcasm detector.

Thank you.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Tulsa Trolls are uptight.

 

[klamath632]

But keep in mind that Iowa State has done little more than ride the coattails of successful programs like Oklahoma, Nebraska (during the Big 8 era), Texas, and Texas A&M (during the Big 12 era) throughout its history. Without the Big 12 to call home, Iowa State is largely an unrecognizable program.

Just so you know, here in our home, it's perfectly acceptable for us to say things like that. You're a guest however, and should shut your dirty ***** mouth.

 

[aeroclone]

By virtue of its conference affiliation, Iowa State enjoys revenue that Tulsa may never see. But keep in mind that Iowa State has done little more than ride the coattails of successful programs like Oklahoma, Nebraska (during the Big 8 era), Texas, and Texas A&M (during the Big 12 era) throughout its history. Without the Big 12 to call home, Iowa State is largely an unrecognizable program.

Can somebody please remind me of all the success that Texas A&M had in the years that we shared a conference with them? I seem to have forgotten.

 

[Cycl1]

Would you have lost interest in Iowa State if the Big 12 had dissolved several years ago and the university were left seeking membership in Conference USA or the Mid-America Conference?

By virtue of its conference affiliation, Iowa State enjoys revenue that Tulsa may never see. But keep in mind that Iowa State has done little more than ride the coattails of successful programs like Oklahoma, Nebraska (during the Big 8 era), Texas, and Texas A&M (during the Big 12 era) throughout its history. Without the Big 12 to call home, Iowa State is largely an unrecognizable program.

Perhaps if Tulsa were a state school instead of a private institution, it may have been welcomed into the Big 8. I don't know; I can only speculate without conducting research. But I do know that Tulsa has historically been a better football program than Iowa State. If Tulsa were accepted into the Big 8 instead of Iowa State, the Golden Hurricane might have yielded a lot of success as opposed to becoming a favorite for homecoming scheduling. I mean no disrespect by my statements, but it's by the sheerest chance that Iowa State is in the Big 12 instead of Tulsa. So please, try to refrain from being dismissive on account of Tulsa's conference affiliation.

Dont you have some cheap high quality jerseys or limo companies to try and sell us on?

 

[CYphyllis]

Would you have lost interest in Iowa State if the Big 12 had dissolved several years ago and the university were left seeking membership in Conference USA or the Mid-America Conference?

By virtue of its conference affiliation, Iowa State enjoys revenue that Tulsa may never see. But keep in mind that Iowa State has done little more than ride the coattails of successful programs like Oklahoma, Nebraska (during the Big 8 era), Texas, and Texas A&M (during the Big 12 era) throughout its history. Without the Big 12 to call home, Iowa State is largely an unrecognizable program.

Perhaps if Tulsa were a state school instead of a private institution, it may have been welcomed into the Big 8. I don't know; I can only speculate without conducting research. But I do know that Tulsa has historically been a better football program than Iowa State. If Tulsa were accepted into the Big 8 instead of Iowa State, the Golden Hurricane might have yielded a lot of success as opposed to becoming a favorite for homecoming scheduling. I mean no disrespect by my statements, but it's by the sheerest chance that Iowa State is in the Big 12 instead of Tulsa. So please, try to refrain from being dismissive on account of Tulsa's conference affiliation.

A couple things. ISU wasn't accepted into the B8, they were a member of the B6. ISU's roots with the conference date back to 1907. The conference didn't expand into the B8 until 1964. At no point in time would Tulsa have been added to displace a member of nearly 60 years.

A historically better win percentage against the likes of Southwest Arkansas North Tech and the North Texas-El Paso Institute State Junior Varsity isn't going to impress anyone around here.

And to answer your first question, no I wouldn't have kept my interest up, mainly because it's a hypothetical situation that was never going to or will never happen. The B12 may fail at some point in time down the road, but ISU will land on it's feet just fine - by which of course I mean outside the likes of Conference USA, the MWWACC (sp?) or the one about a belt.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Yeah we got the pleasure of playing national championship caliber teams like OU and Nebraska every year in the Big8 while Tulsa was playing who in conference? You spent what, 9 years in the WAC and only had one winning season? Oh I forgot the WAC is a power conference right?

 

[cyhiphopp]

A couple things. ISU wasn't accepted into the B8, they were a member of the B6. ISU's roots with the conference date back to 1907. The conference didn't expand into the B8 until 1964. At no point in time would Tulsa have been added to displace a member of nearly 60 years.

A historically better win percentage against the likes of Southwest Arkansas North Tech and the North Texas-El Paso Institute State Junior Varsity isn't going to impress anyone around here.

And to answer your first question, no I wouldn't have kept my interest up, mainly because it's a hypothetical situation that was never going to or will never happen. The B12 may fail at some point in time down the road, but ISU will land on it's feet just fine - by which of course I mean outside the likes of Conference USA, the MWWACC (sp?) or the one about a belt.

HEY! SWANT and NTEPISJV are really good programs. The Golden Showers are proud of their competitive history with those storied football programs.

 

[NickTheGreat]

Can somebody please remind me of all the success that Texas A&M had in the years that we shared a conference with them? I seem to have forgotten.

This :twitcy:

 

[CycloneErik]

This was ineffective trolling. Can't be defensive when you're on a troll run.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Can somebody please remind me of all the success that Texas A&M had in the years that we shared a conference with them? I seem to have forgotten.

HEY! ATM was featured in THREE, count 'em, THREE of the Top 25 college football games of 2011 according to ESPN!



They blew leads in all of them and lost, but they were certainly part of those games!