Tulsa as 2 point favorite........

?? because some people give an honest evaluation of our team? Thats being a hawk? I thought this was a discussion board, where you discussed the team good or bad......i was unaware this was a ISU promotional board that you just sit around, hold hands and sing kumbaya.
Well this is Cyclone "Fanatic" not Cyclone "Debbie Downer". You joined today and have been more than happy to pile on the players while thats on par for Rubbuck too.
 
Well this is Cyclone "Fanatic" not Cyclone "Debbie Downer". You joined today and have been more than happy to pile on the players while thats on par for Rubbuck too.

Ok....good to know...so its Cyclone Rose Colored Glasses and Delusion.......not a discussion board. Ok good to know. Carry on then.
 
I think last year we had two of the worst qb's in d-1. They will improve some but I have my doubts the ceiling is very high for either.
 
I think last year we had two of the worst qb's in d-1. They will improve some but I have my doubts the ceiling is very high for either.

This is pretty much my position. Just because I don't fanatically believe our QB's are all-big 12 caliber doesn't mean I don't love the cyclones. I just see a team that is pretty much below league average in everything other than LBer and Runningback depth. That means a below average result, the notion that fanaticism and wishful thinking will result in onfield results is lunacy.
 
This is pretty much my position. Just because I don't fanatically believe our QB's are all-big 12 caliber doesn't mean I don't love the cyclones. I just see a team that is pretty much below league average in everything other than LBer and Runningback depth. That means a below average result, the notion that fanaticism and wishful thinking will result in onfield results is lunacy.


What he said.....doesnt mean we dont want them to be better....but be realistic.
 
Ok....good to know...so its Cyclone Rose Colored Glasses and Delusion.......not a discussion board. Ok good to know. Carry on then.

You can have a realistic discussion about the team without jumping down the throat of everyone who has a more optimistic view of the team.

It's not about realistic opinions it's about the attitude in which you present them.

I am more than willing to have well reasoned discussion about this years team without putting down people who have differing opinions.

UNI wasn't saying that JB will be as good as Peyton Manning and I think you and Rabbuk know it, you just wanted to be internet tough guys and jump all over him for being so positive.
 
I'm starting to think crawf = mattyice

Possible, but mattyice is usually much more negative and condescending. crawfs biggest beef so far is rational discussion which I agree could be improved. I just think the attitude is a bit much.
 
Possible, but mattyice is usually much more negative and condescending. crawfs biggest beef so far is rational discussion which I agree could be improved. I just think the attitude is a bit much.

That and he hasn't called anybody "Billy" or anything yet..
 
You can have a realistic discussion about the team without jumping down the throat of everyone who has a more optimistic view of the team.

It's not about realistic opinions it's about the attitude in which you present them.

I am more than willing to have well reasoned discussion about this years team without putting down people who have differing opinions.

UNI wasn't saying that JB will be as good as Peyton Manning and I think you and Rabbuk know it, you just wanted to be internet tough guys and jump all over him for being so positive.

I wasn't trying to do this at all, all I read was a post comparing Jared Barnett and Peyton Mannings numbers and asked why we were comparing the two. Sorry I didn't read the whole thread. Then UNIcyguy or w/e asked me for an opinion, which was apparently the wrong opinion.
 
Possible, but mattyice is usually much more negative and condescending. crawfs biggest beef so far is rational discussion which I agree could be improved. I just think the attitude is a bit much.
Your mom's attitude is too much!!!!!, but yeah, rational discussion is fine, but the real question is how many stars and other offers these qbs had.
 
I wasn't trying to do this at all, all I read was a post comparing Jared Barnett and Peyton Mannings numbers and asked why we were comparing the two. Sorry I didn't read the whole thread. Then UNIcyguy or w/e asked me for an opinion, which was apparently the wrong opinion.

You didn't say, "Why are we comparing JBs numbers to Mannings numbers?"

You said, "Holy hell are we really comparing barnett to peyton manning?"

Notice the difference? One is a polite question. One is condescending and implies that the person who posed the comparison is an effing moron.

Can you understand why that same person would not value your opinion as highly as you might like?
 
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Your mom's attitude is too much!!!!!, but yeah, rational discussion is fine, but the real question is how many stars and other offers these qbs had.

JB had 3 stars but not a ton of offers. Jantz had 0 stars.

JB WINS!
 
I think tiller had the most bcs offers. Mattyice loves tiller as qb by deductive reasoning.
 
I'll give you Texas and Missouri, but I don't think you watched the same Baylor and Oklahoma games that I did. Those were tough games played by closely-matched opponents.

I'd maybe give you Baylor, as that wasn't totally one-sided (although Iowa State had no chance of stopping Baylor's offense). But Oklahoma doubled you up in total yards (had more yards at halftime than Iowa State had the whole game) and was ahead 23-6 at halftime. What part of that suggests they were "closely-matched opponents"?
 

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