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Mr Janny said:
Hell, they don't even have to be diamonds in the rough to be hard to come by. It's just really difficult to identify who is going to be a good quarterback and who won't be, regardless of if it's a first round pick or a 5th round pick. Remember when everyone was making fun of the Giants for drafting Daniel Jones instead of Dwayne Haskins. It was such a sure thing that they messed that up.

Plot twist, they both suck. You just never know

It boils down to this. In my opinion, in the last decade, there are only 7 different quarterbacks who have actually won a Superbowl and of those, only 3 still have a starting job.

If the only acceptable qualification for a quarterback is whether or not they can win a championship, then there's only a handful of guys who have the pedigree.
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Agree 100%.
We know Cousins will never win a Super Bowl, so why keep trying. Move on and roll the dice.
 
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Mr Janny said:
Exactly. It's easy to say that we need a better QB than Cousins, but that doesn't mean one's just going to fall in your lap.

My thoughts have not changed. If Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay, try to unload Cousins and set yourself up to draft a QB in the 2023 draft. 2022 will suck, but you hopefully get a top 5 draft pick out of it.

But if Rodgers departs, the Vikings are right there to win the division in 2022. Might even be the favorite. The roster has some holes, but the cap situation is not terrible, despite Kirk's contract. There will have to be some cuts, but this could easily be a playoff team next year.
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With Goff, Love and Fields as the other QBs in the North, the Vikes are way above with Cousins.
 
Neptune78 said:
Agree 100%.
We know Cousins will never win a Super Bowl, so why keep trying. Move on and roll the dice.
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Right now, the only way the Vikings win a superbowl is if they can get Mahomes. We know that will never happen.
 
I don't really want him but I'm curious as to why the 'never happen' regarding Rodgers. Money aside, you only have to convince him to come, why is that impossible? I would have never thought when Favre was in GB that he'd ever throw passes for us but it happened. If anything, Erin is more petty and if he leaves GB you can be sure, at least internally, he'll be convinced that they screwed him and didn't appreciate him enough to help him out more. If you think that kind of guy couldn't sign here just to screw with them, I think you've under estimated the Rodger's rate (of pettiness).
 
Neptune78 said:
Hire Poles and maybe he finds the next Mahomes.
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Much more likely that he won't, though. If you're actually looking at the odds, it's more likely that you will win a Superbowl with the above average quarterback that's already on your roster than with the potential of drafting one.

Look how many misses there are. Not just average quarterbacks, but flat out bad ones. For every Josh Allen, there are tons of Josh Rosens.

And I'm saying this as someone who's ready to move on from Cousins. I'm just saying that competent quarterback play is very difficult to find in the NFL. I can understand why ownership and possibly management might not be ready to go all in on a rebuild though. The grass isn't always greener and all that...
 
Mr Janny said:
Much more likely that he won't, though. If you're actually looking at the odds, it's more likely that you will win a Superbowl with the above average quarterback that's already on your roster than with the potential of drafting one.

Look how many misses there are. Not just average quarterbacks, but flat out bad ones. For every Josh Allen, there are tons of Josh Rosens.

And I'm saying this as someone who's ready to move on from Cousins. I'm just saying that competent quarterback play is very difficult to find in the NFL. I can understand why ownership and possibly management might not be ready to go all in on a rebuild though. The grass isn't always greener and all that...
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It worked for Wash.... oh.
 
drmwevr08 said:
I don't really want him but I'm curious as to why the 'never happen' regarding Rodgers. Money aside, you only have to convince him to come, why is that impossible? I would have never thought when Favre was in GB that he'd ever throw passes for us but it happened. If anything, Erin is more petty and if he leaves GB you can be sure, at least internally, he'll be convinced that they screwed him and didn't appreciate him enough to help him out more. If you think that kind of guy couldn't sign here just to screw with them, I think you've under estimated the Rodger's rate (of pettiness).
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AR is not a free agent. The Packers have to agree to trade him and there's no chance in a million years they're going to trade him to the Vikings.
 
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Mr Janny said:
Much more likely that he won't, though. If you're actually looking at the odds, it's more likely that you will win a Superbowl with the above average quarterback that's already on your roster than with the potential of drafting one.

Look how many misses there are. Not just average quarterbacks, but flat out bad ones. For every Josh Allen, there are tons of Josh Rosens.

And I'm saying this as someone who's ready to move on from Cousins. I'm just saying that competent quarterback play is very difficult to find in the NFL. I can understand why ownership and possibly management might not be ready to go all in on a rebuild though. The grass isn't always greener and all that...
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Agree with all that. That's why I said 'maybe'.

As far as grass goes, we did think Cousins would be better than Case. Yikes.
 
Neptune78 said:
Agree 100%.
We know Cousins will never win a Super Bowl, so why keep trying. Move on and roll the dice.
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Cousins has a nice, high floor, and looks great in warm-ups and when the play goes exactly as planned. His ceiling is about a foot or two higher than his floor. He can get you around .500 every season, maybe a little above, maybe a little below.

He has no moxie or leadership ability (which is HUGE for a QB), zero pocket sense, and just wants to be a cog in a wheel, which doesn't describe a big-time QB.

Need to cut bait with him and move on to try to find THE QB who can lead the Vikes to big things....unless, your sole goal is to get into the playoffs every few years, and maybe win one playoff game sometime....
 
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joefrog said:
Didn't Denver overpay Case soon after though?

And then cut him?

It all starts with the O-line.

That is where I would spend my money.
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I tend to agree. Hawkeye or no, I'd be happy if they drafted Tyler Linderbaum with their first pick. Then for the rest of the draft go defense. Maybe another wide receiver as well.

I get that not everyone likes Kirk Cousins, but he was not the reason the Vikings missed the playoffs this year or last. He's an easy scapegoat because of his salary, but the defense has been the real disappointment.
 
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Mr Janny said:
I tend to agree. Hawkeye or no, I'd be happy if they drafted Tyler Linderbaum with their first pick. Then for the rest of the draft go defense. Maybe another wide receiver as well.

I get that not everyone likes Kirk Cousins, but he was not the reason the Vikings missed the playoffs this year or last. He's an easy scapegoat because of his salary, but the defense has been the real disappointment.
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Linderbaum would be in the solid but not great category at the 12 spot. Mock drafts (for whatever they are worth) have him top ten to late first round. They could use him, but we'll see if the new GM takes him that high.
 
Mr Janny said:
I tend to agree. Hawkeye or no, I'd be happy if they drafted Tyler Linderbaum with their first pick. Then for the rest of the draft go defense. Maybe another wide receiver as well.

I get that not everyone likes Kirk Cousins, but he was not the reason the Vikings missed the playoffs this year or last. He's an easy scapegoat because of his salary, but the defense has been the real disappointment.
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Yep, defense was underwhelming, but that doesn't change the fact that you can't win much that matters with Cousins. Just treading water if you keep him around. That's a fact. May be stuck in 2022 due to the $45M he's guaranteed, but can't go beyond that.
 
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Honestly, I think the Vikings will have cousins for one more year. Who is going to agree to his contract? He is the same cost as Aaron Rodgers. Which would you bring in for a 1 year mercenary?
 
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It's interesting how much rehiring of failed coaches happen in the NFL. Seems like the top 2 from the article below were failed head coaches in the past. I almost wonder if the GM is more important than the head coach after watching the VIkings defense the last 2 years. Zimmer knows defense and I'm sure he knew he had bad players but somehow wasn't able to correct it to save his job.

thevikingage.com

Two surprising leaders emerging in Vikings head coach search

As the Minnesota Vikings continue their search for a new head coach, there are at least two candidates that have a good chance to get the job.
thevikingage.com thevikingage.com
 
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