Sounds like they'll decide this week between Poles and Mensah. Maybe Poles does bring Bienemy with him.
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Sounds like they'll decide this week between Poles and Mensah. Maybe Poles does bring Bienemy with him.
After watching this weekend's games. The Vikes REALLY need to get rid of Kirk. The level of QB play needed to make a championship run is not in Kirk.
You need Elite arms, pocket awareness and an offensive willing to throw the ball deep!
I will say, if GB loses Rodgers... We have to be the favorite for the division, right?? I said the same thing last spring and look what happened
You need Elite arms, pocket awareness and an offensive willing to throw the ball deep!
I will say, if GB loses Rodgers... We have to be the favorite for the division, right?? I said the same thing last spring and look what happened
For the elite arms and QB play in the KC-Buffalo game, the number of completely blown coverages was shocking, especially by KC. At least the last two TDs by Allen were throws every NFL QB1, 2 and 3 would probably make, and there really wasn't a read to make, Gabriel was so wide open. That was horrendous DB play.
Well, I don't entirely disagree but the D's let all that galloping up and down the field happen and that was horrendous. The only good D was SF and you can see what that means in terms of QB. Jimmy in the title game, again... So, am I cool with getting rid of Kirk, yes, but the story isn't that easy.
Offense RUNS the league. I think the snowstorm in GB was more of a factor in their D looking that good.
I'm not taking an opposite position at all, just pointing to the one counter out of the 4. Jimmy lives lol. And a D could, at any point, have ended that KC game with a stand.
Yeah but you know as well as I do that in that scenario if Minnesota is the favorite then that is a TERRIBLE omen and we should firm get nut cups in place.
The SF defense was really good. With all due respect, the snow affects both teams equally... to me the snow was a non factor. Both teams played great defense. GB downfall was special teams and Rodgers not being interested in playing.
Unless you're the 49ers, in which case 11 completions for 130 yards will do the trick. But you're right that Cousins isn't in the same tier as Mahomes/Rodgers/Allen/Burrow area.
Kirk has a great arm. I see no way to argue otherwise. Awareness definitely isn't top tier, and throwing deep is as much of scheme as it is the QB. Kirk is very accurate and very reliable with long distance throwing...but throwing deep requires routes run for it and protection from your OL to do so. Can't run a 50 yard play in 3 seconds.
The Vikings problems still start and end at the OL and related scheme levels, full stop. Do they need to get off Cousins's contract to upgrade here? Maybe. But you'll be downgrading QBs at the same time.
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Exactly. It's easy to say that we need a better QB than Cousins, but that doesn't mean one's just going to fall in your lap.
My thoughts have not changed. If Aaron Rodgers stays in Green Bay, try to unload Cousins and set yourself up to draft a QB in the 2023 draft. 2022 will suck, but you hopefully get a top 5 draft pick out of it.
But if Rodgers departs, the Vikings are right there to win the division in 2022. Might even be the favorite. The roster has some holes, but the cap situation is not terrible, despite Kirk's contract. There will have to be some cuts, but this could easily be a playoff team next year.
I can't disagree with this, but I think if it ends up being the latter (Rodgers leaves GB, Vikes keep Cousins as favorites in the North), is that really a change from what the franchise is now? Yeah, you may make the playoffs as the winners of the worst division in football, but do you REALLY have a chance to win the Super Bowl? Or are you headed for a first round exit - a middle to low first round pick, and the continued cycle of mediocrity. Mike Florio calls it purple purgatory - and he's right.
I'm glad the ownership is making a full scale change with GM and Coach. I guess the real question is, do you take the full dive, likely bottom out next year, and hope you can draft the next QB in the 2023 draft.
The biggest thing for me is, as I watched the games the last few weeks, I continuously asked myself: could Kirk Cousins do that. The answer was almost always no. I just don't see him being the leader and guy that will get them over the hump. So.....do you keep him and just make the playoffs in a crappy division, or do you plunge and see if you can get a franchise QB in the draft (not this years unfortunately) and see if you can really compete for a championship in a couple seasons.
I'll admit, it's not an easy question, and it is a huge gamble.
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I think it's as much of a gamble to tank in hopes of getting a high draft pick that you can use on a quarterback who may or may not be good.
Look at the first round QBs drafted since the Vikings signed Cousins. There are some great ones. But how many of them give you a better chance to win the Super Bowl than Kirk? 6? Maybe 7?
Mahomes, Allen, Burrow on top of the list for sure.
Then maybe Watson, Herbert, Murray, Jackson?
And even there are plenty of questions about whether this group can win the big one.
That's not counting all of the mediocre guys and busts in that time frame. So that's 1 or possibly 2 quarterbacks per draft that give you a better chance than the one you've got now.
I'm not opposed to getting rid of Cousins, but the absolute worst place to be in the NFL is quarterback purgatory. Cousins may not be elite, but he's better than most. And the alternative has a terrifying downside.
Agree, but for 2022 only. If Rodgers leaves, the Vikes could win the division but most likely they get smoked in the playoffs. The goal has to be higher and it won't happen with Cousins. Play out his contract and move on. Any number of QBs can go 8-9.
The only downfall is hoping the QB you draft is both NFL ready AND has a meteoric rise like Mahomes and Allen had or that Herbert is having. Otherwise 2022 is wasted, 2023 is the rookie year and you pray 2024 is when at least something clicks and 2025 is when things get going. Of course, diamond-in-the-rough finds are hard to come by and the Vikings haven't exactly been known for developing QB talent.
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Hell, they don't even have to be diamonds in the rough to be hard to come by. It's just really difficult to identify who is going to be a good quarterback and who won't be, regardless of if it's a first round pick or a 5th round pick. Remember when everyone was making fun of the Giants for drafting Daniel Jones instead of Dwayne Haskins. It was such a sure thing that they messed that up.
Plot twist, they both suck. You just never know
It boils down to this. In my opinion, in the last decade, there are only 7 different quarterbacks who have actually won a Superbowl and of those, only 3 still have a starting job.
If the only acceptable qualification for a quarterback is whether or not they can win a championship, then there's only a handful of guys who have the pedigree.