The schedule isn't that bad.
NDSU
Iowa
Texas Tech
Toledo
Kansas
That should be 5 easy wins right there. Pull off one or two upsets and you're bowling. We aren't playing AP top 10 teams every week.
Keep the coaches
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NDSU
Iowa
Texas Tech
Toledo
Kansas
That should be 5 easy wins right there. Pull off one or two upsets and you're bowling. We aren't playing AP top 10 teams every week.
Gauntlet? Well according to this our SOS is 41.
http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team
Can we stop pretending like our SOS is the best in the nation? The Big 12 isn't as great as some of you think it is.
One common mindset on this website really makes me mad.
"We can't hire any good coaches, no one would want to come to ISU".
"What should we expect, we have had 100 years of bad football, we have no tradition!"
"No one could come here and win".
For those of you with this mindset, have you ever read about the K-State program before Snyder was there? Here are a few highlights:
From 1935 to 1990 (55 years), KSU had four winning seasons. Four.
They had a 28 game losing streak, as well as a 27 game losing streak in 1986-1987.
From 1935 to 1988, they won a total of 137 games, just over 2 wins a year for 53 years.
They were the first D1 team to lose 500 games.
That all changed in 1989 when they took a chance and hired the University of Iowa's offensive coordinator. The rest is history.
Snyder took the worst college football program in the history of FBS, and made it a winner. Someone can do the same at ISU. Maybe the next hire is not as successful as Snyder, but as another poster pointed out, maybe we as fans can expect 6-7 wins a season too. It seems pretty safe to say through the first 8 games this year, CPR is probably not the one to do it. If you still think he can, I urge you to watch the NDSU game again, or even the first half of today's game. OU had 480 yards of offense today...... at halftime. Think about that for a minute.
I know, I know. It's the schedule, or, it's the injuries, or it's the facilities. What about the 6-19 record over his last 25 games, including losses to 2 FCS teams? Those are the ones that get 22 less scholarships a year, in case you forgot. Even lowly KSU fired their coach after they lost 2 straight FCS games in 1985.
So keep the coaches for another year, or 2 years you say. That could be 2 years where we miss hiring our Bill Snyder, and when we do look for another coach, some other school has snatched him up. Keeping this same staff is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Even KSU figured that out after 55 years.
"We can't hire any good coaches, no one would want to come to ISU".
"What should we expect, we have had 100 years of bad football, we have no tradition!"
"No one could come here and win".
For those of you with this mindset, have you ever read about the K-State program before Snyder was there? Here are a few highlights:
From 1935 to 1990 (55 years), KSU had four winning seasons. Four.
They had a 28 game losing streak, as well as a 27 game losing streak in 1986-1987.
From 1935 to 1988, they won a total of 137 games, just over 2 wins a year for 53 years.
They were the first D1 team to lose 500 games.
That all changed in 1989 when they took a chance and hired the University of Iowa's offensive coordinator. The rest is history.
Snyder took the worst college football program in the history of FBS, and made it a winner. Someone can do the same at ISU. Maybe the next hire is not as successful as Snyder, but as another poster pointed out, maybe we as fans can expect 6-7 wins a season too. It seems pretty safe to say through the first 8 games this year, CPR is probably not the one to do it. If you still think he can, I urge you to watch the NDSU game again, or even the first half of today's game. OU had 480 yards of offense today...... at halftime. Think about that for a minute.
I know, I know. It's the schedule, or, it's the injuries, or it's the facilities. What about the 6-19 record over his last 25 games, including losses to 2 FCS teams? Those are the ones that get 22 less scholarships a year, in case you forgot. Even lowly KSU fired their coach after they lost 2 straight FCS games in 1985.
So keep the coaches for another year, or 2 years you say. That could be 2 years where we miss hiring our Bill Snyder, and when we do look for another coach, some other school has snatched him up. Keeping this same staff is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Even KSU figured that out after 55 years.
It is like you are arguing with yourself.
You have provided nothing besides you taking offense to criticism of CPR and his program. No reason for why the criticism is flawed. Your repeated dodging of the issue is quite the white flag.
If Duke can be ranked in football, we can get a coach that would at least put us middle of the pack in BIG12
Every SOS site I've seen that doesn't look like it was developed by a guy sitting on his computer in his underwear has us as a top 10 SOS. Big 12 is good this year, just not the regular powers.
Yes, today was unacceptably horrible like the Baylor game last year. That being said, we just need to remove the deeply impacted football from our collective butt and move on. Crying for heads to roll now serves no good purpose. We just need to beat the Jayhawks next Saturday, then move on to Texas Tech two weeks afterward. After all the games are played, let us then evaluate CPR's, and his staff's performance. Perhaps there will be an upset in the final two games, but I'm not expecting one. Sounds like our defense will be rather depleted, and will be starting 3rd and 4th stringers who really have no business playing significant minutes because they're not ready for Big 12 caliber play. Not a good prognosis, but we can only play who's available.
The rash of injuries the past two years lead me to ask if, due to heightened expectations, the players are trying to do too much on the field, and leaving themselves exposed to greater probabilities of being injured? Just a question I needed to ask.
The rash of injuries the past two years lead me to ask if, due to heightened expectations, the players are trying to do too much on the field, and leaving themselves exposed to greater probabilities of being injured? Just a question I needed to ask.
I'll say this, though.
Could CPR win with Oklahoma's talent? Yes.
Could Stoops win with ISU talent? No. See Mark Mangino's offence.
Could CPR win with Oklahoma's talent? Yes.
Could Stoops win with ISU talent? No. See Mark Mangino's offence.
Yes. Although I'll be honest and concede that I'm not sure who could, or how they could recruit high-level talent to Ames. (well, an $EC coach could probably figure out a way...)
Another problem we had recruiting a few years ago was kids not knowing if we were gonna be in the big east, mountain west or big 12. I remember current players questioning if they were going to stay if we were not in the big 12. Since that got settled we have done a much better job of getting impact guys.
Facilities don't play in the game. We need them to attract better players. How many of the top 100 players do you think we got? We got TWO 4 star players, OU gets 22 a year. If you didn't see the difference in talent, size and speed, then how buzzed were you.
A person with a clear vision and maturity wrote this .....
"A program like Iowa State isn’t going to get better by continual discontent and replacement of the head coach. Continuity is a big deal and this team isn’t that far off from tangible success, in my opinion. Then, consider that the roster and coaching staff appears to be set for the future." by Kirk Haaland
We all want OUR cyclones to win, we all want it now, but some of us understand we don't always get what we want just because we complain the loudest.
"Keeper of the Faith " was started when we had the "BMW Club" (b$tchers, moaners, and whiners) wanting to remove Fred, but now all is well. Stay true, ride it out, be faithful.
Go Cyclones
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One could argue the constant turnover in staff has been going on for 100 years. Maybe the assumption a new coach is always better is insane.
Baylor, KSU, TCU, and WVU were in just as bad of a place as we were, seems like they weathered the storm just fine.
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Btw coaching at Iowa State. Johnny Majors went 24-30 at Iowa State and now sits in the college football hall of fame. Back i. The 80's we fired Jim Criner and the savior was Jim Walden. In the 2000's we fired Dan and the savior was Gene Chizik. So yeah firing coaches has not paid off in the past at all. Bottom line is the payout is to much and the next guy will most likely suck at Iowa State as well.
Assuming 13 games every year with 8 wins that's a .615 win percentage. There are 20 programs in FBS history (through last year) over that mark. 3 of those have been in FBS less than 5 years so a vast majority of their wins came at the FCS level. At 6 wins a year that's a .461 win percentage. A losing record btw. Historically we are a .456 win percentage program. There are 107 schools above us. if that doesn't tell you how hard 8 wins a year is to achieve I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying don't try. Not saying CPR is the long term solution. Just that winning is dang hard and some people here seem to think it's easy. I want better, ISU fans deserve better because we're awesome, but let's not go crazy on how easy it should be.
Yes Snyder did it at K-State. How did they do when he retired? Skeletor is a freaking wizard. Finding our wizard is what we need. Orr was that in basketball imo. Those guys don't grow on trees. It's harder than some make it out to be to be good. that being said we need to find our wizard.
Yes Snyder did it at K-State. How did they do when he retired? Skeletor is a freaking wizard. Finding our wizard is what we need. Orr was that in basketball imo. Those guys don't grow on trees. It's harder than some make it out to be to be good. that being said we need to find our wizard.