NFL: Kansas City Chiefs Thread

[3TrueFans]

Did I say Ravens only win because of their defense? Did I say Ravens are winning despite Jackson and he is the weakest link for Ravens?

Ravens are winning because of their defense not Lamar.

Jackson won 13 games mostly because of Ravens defense.

Ravens win because of their defense not Jackson.

Ravens win because of their outstanding defense

 

[RagingCloner]

I did add rushing to everyone's totals. He's 6th if you go by total yards. He's 4th in qbr. 6 fumbles is a lot I'll give you that one. You say he's not Mahomes but I don't think anyone's saying he is. People are saying he's a really good quarterback

Who is above him if he is 6th in yards? Genuinely curious

 

[Pharmacy99]

Okay so lamar is a better quarterback, if we dont look at any QB stats. Got it!

“Eye test” says he is an elite QB

 

[GoHawks]

Who is above him if he is 6th in yards? Genuinely curious

In order: Allen, Prescott, Tua, Goff, and mahomes

 

[Pharmacy99]

It was a response to the narrative that Ravens win all because of Jackson. He is an important piece but he is not an elite QB based on objective numbers

 

[Pharmacy99]

In order: Allen, Prescott, Tua, Goff, and mahomes

In order: Allen, Prescott, Tua, Goff, and mahomes

Purdy, and Love. Why do you add rushing yard to passing yard only for Jackson?

 

[GoHawks]

Purdy, and Love. Why do you add rushing yard to passing yard only for Jackson?

Purdy at 4,424 and jackson 4,499

 

[RagingCloner]

In order: Allen, Prescott, Tua, Goff, and mahomes

For the record, if Fields was healthy all year, he would have had more rushing yards than Jackson. Had he been healthy all year, if you combine the yards, lamar would still have his 4499, and fields would have had 4209. Using your logic, are they basically at the same level then?

 

[RagingCloner]

Jackson had 3678 passing and 695 rushing for total of 4373 yards. Did he return punt or kickoff this year?

3678 passing and 821 for rushing according to espn and nfl.com stats

 

[GoHawks]

Jackson had 3678 passing and 695 rushing for total of 4373 yards. Did he return punt or kickoff this year?

Rushing was 821

 

[Pharmacy99]

Rushing was 821

I was wrong on his rushing yard

 

[RagingCloner]

@GoHawks where would you rate Michael Vick as a QB?

 

[GoHawks]

For the record, if Fields was healthy all year, he would have had more rushing yards than Jackson. Had he been healthy all year, if you combine the yards, lamar would still have his 4499, and fields would have had 4209. Using your logic, are they basically at the same level then?

Fields could be a good quarterback. He's not ad efficient as jackson in my opinion

 

[BryceC]

Off the bat, from a statistic standpoint over the last 3 years.

Mahomes
Allen
Herbert
Burrow
Tua(although thats really only been the last 2 years)
Cousins
Smith
Lawrence

My point is that since he has been in the league, Lamar has never even been top 15 in any QB related statistic. Now, I wont deny he is a good QB, and a great runner, but as far as QB's go, hes bottom third tier in the NFL. FWIW, I would put Fields higher. Better passer, and equivalent running ability, the bears OC is just inept

This is straight up insane.

 

[RagingCloner]

This is straight up insane.

Yes, sometimes facts can be hard to understand

 

[RagingCloner]

Fields could be a good quarterback. He's not ad efficient as jackson in my opinion

Agreed, but is that a QB issue or a scheme issue? Im leaning scheme

 

[Pharmacy99]

Rushing was 821

I think he is a good and unique QB. He does some spectacular plays here and there. But to be an elite QB, one has to make routine plays consistently.

 

[3TrueFans]

For the record, if Fields was healthy all year, he would have had more rushing yards than Jackson. Had he been healthy all year, if you combine the yards, lamar would still have his 4499, and fields would have had 4209. Using your logic, are they basically at the same level then?

how do you come up with that? They both averaged about 50 yards rushing per game and Jackson averaged about 30 more yards passing per game than Fields.

 

[GoHawks]

@GoHawks where would you rate Michael Vick as a QB?

I'd have to dive into it but I actually thought mike vick was more of what you're describing with lamar and maybe tad overrated.

 

[Pharmacy99]

how do you come up with that? They both averaged about 50 yards rushing per game and Jackson averaged about 30 more yards passing per game than Fields.

If Jackson is an elite QB (second best in the league) with his numbers, then is Field an elite QB?