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GoHawks said:
It would probably be a competitive game but I don't think many if any would pick ohio to win. They certainly would be underdogs. Toledo is a better team than Ohio and they lost to Illinois just as a comparison. Miami Ohio is better than Ohio and they got beat badly to a ok Miami team. The jump to power 5 is bigger than it used to be with the portal/nil

Obviously the Iowa State opponents you're switching for are tougher but what's difference of doing reverse? Who's a tougher out Penn state or Cincinnati? Iowa state had a tougher schedule I think everyone on both sides acknowledge that. I think Iowa State fans talking themselves into identical records if the teams flipped schedules is where the disagreement is.
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ISU was favored at Ohio. And Kansas rolled up Illinois who just needed to play basic defense to beat Iowa.

I've stated it before: I'm not saying ISU has a 10-2 record or Iowa ends up with a 7-5 record. But there's at least 4 teams on Iowa's schedule that ISU has a better chance of beating than who they played.

Replacing Cinci with Penn State doesn't make sense since ISU already had two legit Top 15 teams (OU and TX).
 
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GoHawks said:
It would probably be a competitive game but I don't think many if any would pick ohio to win. They certainly would be underdogs. Toledo is a better team than Ohio and they lost to Illinois just as a comparison. Miami Ohio is better than Ohio and they got beat badly to a ok Miami team. The jump to power 5 is bigger than it used to be with the portal/nil

Obviously the Iowa State opponents you're switching for are tougher but what's difference of doing reverse? Who's a tougher out Penn state or Cincinnati? Iowa state had a tougher schedule I think everyone on both sides acknowledge that. I think Iowa State fans talking themselves into identical records if the teams flipped schedules is where the disagreement is.
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I will acknowledge it was pretty close this year, but there are a number of teams that are pretty close this year. Probably teams ranked #20-#60 are all pretty close to each other.

Iowa was better because of the head to head win at Ames and because of a three game lead in record. If Iowa and ISU had the same record, then I would say ISU was better, but that didn't happen.
 
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iahawks said:
I don't think Iowa and Ohio would be a tossup. Ohio was a decent mid-major team, but lost to a terrible San Diego St. team (albeit without their QB for most of the game) and never really outshined anyone in the mid-American conference.

I know all about Ohio because I won a sizeable future bet taking the over on their wins this year, which was at 7.5. So I followed them pretty close all year.
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What do you think the line would be with Iowa/Ohio? ISU was favored there. They're the 4th best defense in the country. That counts, correct?

You didn't answer the other questions/scenarios.

Does KU lighting up Illinois count for anything in the 'who played who' game or are we just counting ISU opponents?
 
madguy30 said:
What do you think the line would be with Iowa/Ohio? ISU was favored there. They're the 4th best defense in the country. That counts, correct?

You didn't answer the other questions/scenarios.

Does KU lighting up Illinois count for anything in the 'who played who' game or are we just counting ISU opponents?
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Didn't KU lose their QB at some point. I know they were playing amazing football at the beginning of the year and then kind of went down some at the end it seemed. I could be wrong there, don't really follow them that much.

I'm not good at predicting vegas lines. I thought Iowa/Michigan would be at least 28.
 
madguy30 said:
ISU was favored at Ohio. And Kansas rolled up Illinois who just needed to play basic defense to beat Iowa.

I've stated it before: I'm not saying ISU has a 10-2 record or Iowa ends up with a 7-5 record. But there's at least 4 teams on Iowa's schedule that ISU has a better chance of beating than who they played.

Replacing Cinci with Penn State doesn't make sense since ISU already had two legit Top 15 teams (OU and TX).
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Kansas was a good team though they beat Iowa State too so I'm not sure that proves anything. Ya I don't disagree with the rest I think Iowa State likely wins 1 maybe 2 more if they flip schedules.
 
iahawks said:
Didn't KU lose their QB at some point. I know they were playing amazing football at the beginning of the year and then kind of went down some at the end it seemed. I could be wrong there, don't really follow them that much.

I'm not good at predicting vegas lines. I thought Iowa/Michigan would be at least 28.
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They had a revolving door at QB and beat OU.

Any KU QB likely still lights up Illinois.
 
iahawks said:
Didn't KU lose their QB at some point. I know they were playing amazing football at the beginning of the year and then kind of went down some at the end it seemed. I could be wrong there, don't really follow them that much.

I'm not good at predicting vegas lines. I thought Iowa/Michigan would be at least 28.
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Yeah, they had a walk on QB playing QB against Tech and KSU. They win both of those games against Tech and KSu if they have Bean.
 
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iahawks said:
I don't think Iowa and Ohio would be a tossup. Ohio was a decent mid-major team, but lost to a terrible San Diego St. team (albeit without their QB for most of the game) and never really outshined anyone in the mid-American conference.

I know all about Ohio because I won a sizeable future bet taking the over on their wins this year, which was at 7.5. So I followed them pretty close all year.
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The same could be said about Iowa and the Big 10. What did Iowa do that really outshined anyone in the Big 10? Beat Wisconsin in Madison? Ok.. but even Northwestern did that.
 
GoHawks said:
Kansas was a good team though they beat Iowa State too so I'm not sure that proves anything. Ya I don't disagree with the rest I think Iowa State likely wins 1 maybe 2 more if they flip schedules.
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Which is a harder team to beat? KU or Purdue? Michigan State or either of OU/TX? Ohio or Utah State?
 
Cyhig said:
The same could be said about Iowa and the Big 10. What did Iowa do that really outshined anyone in the Big 10? Beat Wisconsin in Madison? Ok.. but even Northwestern did that.
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WI's in a rebuild and was basically just erratic all season.
 
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All of these "ifs and buts" in this thread. We already know what happened. Iowa beat ISU at JTS and won 10 games to ISU's 7.

Both teams had good seasons considering the hands they were dealt.
 
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What do you all suppose the odds are of ISU making the future CFP before Iowa does?
I'd put it above 50%, but I don't want to anger the football gods.
 
iahawks said:
All of these "ifs and buts" in this thread. We already know what happened. Iowa beat ISU at JTS and won 10 games to ISU's 7.

Both teams had good seasons considering the hands they were dealt.
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Nobody is arguing that. That is a fact.

The fact that seems you confuse a vast majority of you is that UI won 10 games with a cakewalk schedule.
 
GoHawks said:
I don't get this though. Kansas or Penn state? Wisconsin or cincinatti? Baylor or Rutgers?
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I've already told you: Penn State doesn't count since ISU already had two top 15 teams on the schedule. Iowa did not.

If you put KU, either of OU/TX, and Ohio for non conference instead of Utah State, are those harder teams over the season vs. the gimmes that Iowa played?
 
jcf817 said:
What do you all suppose the odds are of ISU making the future CFP before Iowa does?
I'd put it above 50%, but I don't want to anger the football gods.
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That will depend upon how the new B12 does pods/divisions though.

I will say this-in these newly realigned conferences, I bet ISU wins 8 games more often than UI does
 
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jcf817 said:
What do you all suppose the odds are of ISU making the future CFP before Iowa does?
I'd put it above 50%, but I don't want to anger the football gods.
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Probably even money I think. Iowa states likihood of a conference championship which would be an Automatic bid is much higher but they'll have a much less chance at an at large. Big Ten is probably getting 3-4 teams in most years and big 12 will probably be 1-2
 
RagingCloner said:
Nobody is arguing that. That is a fact.

The fact that seems you confuse a vast majority of you is that UI won 10 games with a cakewalk schedule.
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I've said countless times that the schedule was poor and the Big 10 West was bad.
 
iahawks said:
I've said countless times that the schedule was poor and the Big 10 West was bad.
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The schedule was indeed poor and the big 10 west was indeed bad, yet Iowa had 5 conference games that Iowa was tied or trailed late in the 4th quarter in which they won. That's over half their games. Iowa got absolutely smoked in the one conference game against a "difficult" opponent. What do you think that tells us about the Iowa team this year?
 
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