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What's everyone's predictions for the UV meet tonight?

125 - Mackall MD Edelblute 4-0
133 - LaMont Dec Small 4-3
141 - Parker Dec Hunsaker 7-3
149 - Leisure Dec Knutzen 10-3
157 -Carr MD Loveless 14-3
165 - Straw Dec Wilkinson 17-3
174 - Bastain Dec Coleman 17-6
184 - Colbray Dec Jantzer 20-6
197 - Orndorff Dec Shapiro 20-9
285 - Gremmel Dec Orndorff 23-9

I like the way Gannon has been wrestling and will pick him for the mild upset at 285.
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The state of B12 MBB ...

surly
I think it's down to Ku and Baylor. TxT couldn't beat the Bears in Tech's grocery arena. WVU already lost at AFH. And to my eye neither OU nor TCU is equipped to compete at that level. Then we have the leftovers: Cats, Clones, Pokes, and Texas. Now, the Horns may move up to the middle tier but so what, they might as well finish in the bottom third because the league's only getting 6 in the dance this year. 15-3 wins it easily, maybe 14-4. Frankly, if Ku goes 16-2 it wouldn't surprise.
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Can we put this to bed?

cycloneworld
That fans that are critical of this team and this coach are somehow rooting for the team to lose or are lesser fans? The crowd at the game was locked, loaded, and ready to explode if given the opportunity by this team. 14,000+ to watch a 7-6 team that got blown out by its rival and lost to a 1-9 Florida A&M team.

Save the lectures about being "good" or "loyal" fans. Iowa State fans have proven that over and over and over again. We can cheer on this team AND be wondering what the hell the future looks like and where this program is going.

End rant.
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No Troll What We'd Like to See Discussion

BryceC
Let’s just make a few assumptions right away to frame the discussion:
  1. We aren’t going to crap on players. They are doing their best. I absolutely respect the heck out of every one of them, most of whom came from somewhere a long way away to a place they didn’t know to try and achieve a dream.
  2. Prohm isn’t going to get fired after this year.
  3. Hoiberg isn’t coming back.
  4. TH is going pro.
  5. This season, for all intents and purposes, is over. They can shuffle the pieces around on the team, start one guy over another, etc, but let’s be honest, it’s not going to make much of a difference.
Now, for what I’d like to see for 2021:
  1. Identity on defense. The departure of TH will be the last departing plus player on offense. For all of Prohm’s talk about being tough, gritty, defensive minded… he has not been able to effectively communicate it. He needs to fire an assistant and bring in a guy to instill that mindset in this team. If he doesn’t do this, he’ll be fired anyway and players will likely transfer out, so he needs to do this even if it drives guys away.
  2. Also on this, we tried a bunch of defenses yesterday that I thought were just doomed to failure. The Young/MJ two bigs doubling the opposing big was an alley oop machine. The zone was a disaster. That said, I think we need to lean into that zone next year. We go full Baylor. Foster/Conditt down low, Johnson or Blackwell on the edges, and a consistently feisty Jackson at the point. I honestly think we’ll have to play 90’s Knicks basketball, slow it down, grind it out, work from the inside out.
  3. We absolutely need Jackson to develop a 3 point shot. He’s struggling mightily right now but I like what I’m seeing from him from an effort and tenacity level. Honestly I think he’s the only guy actually playing like Prohm wants this team to right now.
If this team is going to have success going forward, the identity of the team needs to change. If it doesn’t next year and we roll the ball out the same way we are this year without TH, that’s going to be one of the worst teams in the modern history of the program. It’s up to Prohm to figure that out or get fired. I do think there are kids that want to defend the legacy of Hilton on this team and I’m sure this isn’t what they pictured when they signed up for this.

I also think we should honestly just be nice and not freak out the rest of the way. This year is what it is. No use getting pissed about it.
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Backing Up the Trucks

CycloneErik
I offer today option #2:
We reallocate that $10 for the pedestrian bridge, donate that to Oregon for the express purpose of buying out Altman, who then buys out McDermott's deal at Creighton, and brings the big dude back to Ames.

As fans, we struggle with the idea of coaches we haven't seen before, so this is a creative way to bring back that familiarity we crave.
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For the first time in 15 years...

gocy444
For the first time in my roughly 15 years of Cyclone fandom, I turned to a different channel tonight. As a teen who was obsessed with ISU sports I would still love to come home and love watch Craig Brackins and crew lose on a Wednesday night. I suffered through the Chizik and McDermott eras, watched us lose 77-7 to Baylor in football and get smacked countless other time. I still watched every second I could because I loved it. I’m the guy who stays until the last second because I want to see what the reserves look like and what the future holds.

Maybe it’s just me getting older, but this isn’t even fun to watch.
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