Wide Receiver Hype
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I tend to agree. Did Payne return to the game? Or KCM? Will be a long season if either of them miss extended time. I'm not a witch-hunter by any means, but what's the deal with our lockdown corner, Brian Peavy? Responsible for almost half of Stanley's 5 td's today...
In addressing the main topic of the thread, I don't agree that WR is over hyped. It's by far our best position group, and probably truly has been for the last 5 years. Problem with WR is that they are a dependent position--that is dependent on the QB and the O-line. Too much can go wrong with timing that can affect a WR's success. If the O-line is struggling and the QB is getting hurried, the QB is going to rush his throw and not put the ball in the best spot for the WR to make a play. OR, like what was happening a lot in the 2nd quarter today, the QB does have time to throw, but waits too long to make a decision. I know at least one of Butlers drops was due to Park holding on to the ball too long, had a wide open Butler, but by the time he decided to throw it, there was a defender on 3 sides of Butler waiting to close on him as soon as he made the catch. Easy for us to sit here and criticize Butler for not making the catch, but we weren't the ones about to get sandwiched.
I will not be a Park apologist. He makes great throws and has a ton of natural ability. But his decision making is a tad suspect at this point. He is going to win us games but also lose us games down the stretch, unless he can make quicker decisions.
This. When your qb is forced to throw 46 passes you're going to have two or three drops.
It'll be interesting to see how Lazard finishes his career, he'll go down as some all time great by the sunshine pumpers but outside of being a very good redzone threat, he's an average big 12 receiver. Every team in our league has a guy putting up numbers like his.
Up until this year he had the bad qb/oline/offensive coordinator/no running game/no other good receivers excuse that always bailed him out. Now he has the guys around him to be player everyone thought he could be and the mistakes and inconsistencies we've seen the last 3 years are still happening. He's got 10 games to cement his legacy, to do what he always said he came here to do. Let's hope he turns that corner, we need the guy we've seen in flashes taking over games to show up every week if this team is going to sniff a bowl.
Up until this year he had the bad qb/oline/offensive coordinator/no running game/no other good receivers excuse that always bailed him out. Now he has the guys around him to be player everyone thought he could be and the mistakes and inconsistencies we've seen the last 3 years are still happening. He's got 10 games to cement his legacy, to do what he always said he came here to do. Let's hope he turns that corner, we need the guy we've seen in flashes taking over games to show up every week if this team is going to sniff a bowl.
Are you saying you didn't care about the game. Then why be a fan? I care how the team performs.
Who am I trying to convince.....................you. Fit what narrative..........that you talk like a loser? That's not a narrative, that's a fact. You didn't say this :
Notice I didn't cut anything. And I'm sure glad someone like you wasn't my football coach. Because that's straight up hard line loser talk. Not some made up narrative.
And what truth am I hiding from to protect myself from reality? I don't know.....could it be this:
You think that is the frame of mind I am hiding from? Okay, then tell me....that after their second game in their second season when has a coaching staff.....in any sport...at any level been held to your standard? You convince me that is SOP, I will be afraid no more. Outside of that.......I will give this staff as much rope as we did the last staff. Get back to me in six years, and if things haven't changed..........we'll talk.
I absolutely care about the game and once it's over there is nothing I can do. I live and die on each play during the game like everyone else. But just like playing checkers or monopoly - I care but don't have anything at risk other than my caring for the game.
I think "game" is the tern I'm trying to stress here. Not life, not career or health. But game. I'm a fan of many things and the vast majority do NOT impact my health or mental well-being.
"Wide receiver hype" has been a pretty consistent theme of the last 20 years or so.
Most of those years it's wildly inappropriate.
It's a bad team thing.
It's not as far off now, I'll take that as progress.
Most of those years it's wildly inappropriate.
It's a bad team thing.
It's not as far off now, I'll take that as progress.
You can be disappointed in the receivers performance without them being overhyped. I'm loving what we're seeing from Butler. The coaches weren't BSing saying he might be the most talented guy in the WR corps. Obviously, he's gotta get rid of the drops, but you'll always have a couple. Yesterday was way too often.
I'm not sure about the post questioning Park's decision making. He's been fairly safe with the ball. I thought the analyst was being way too overcritical on the ball coming out soon enough. How quickly we forget being excited about Sam Richardson. Those are two different athletes. Park's performance so far is why I'm bullish on this team.
I'm not sure about the post questioning Park's decision making. He's been fairly safe with the ball. I thought the analyst was being way too overcritical on the ball coming out soon enough. How quickly we forget being excited about Sam Richardson. Those are two different athletes. Park's performance so far is why I'm bullish on this team.
Butler I think has over taken Lazard as the biggest threat on the field at WR. Not that Lazard isn't still a huge threat, I just think Butler is more of one. Also though... I don't know how much Iowa was blanketing Lazard either, and therefore leaving Butler more open? That could be too.
Where has Deshaunte Jones been this year though? We still need a player like him to be involved IMO. Eaton looks like he'll be a beast for us too, but he's too much like Butler and Lazard IMO. We need Jones as that quick little slot guy.
Where has Deshaunte Jones been this year though? We still need a player like him to be involved IMO. Eaton looks like he'll be a beast for us too, but he's too much like Butler and Lazard IMO. We need Jones as that quick little slot guy.
Pick and choose my words whatever you want I posted nothing but truth which the coaches agreed with me.
They speak about culture change and raising the standard. But those are just words. Real culture change is when we win.
Butler is playing out of the slot which is always going to be a good spot against Iowa. I think they must like him better in that position than Jones at the moment.
Great. So when I care about a game, speak my mind about the performance why is that wrong? If you don't agree with what I say that's fine but to insinuate that it's wrong in voicing what I see that's on you not me.
SpokaneCY said:
Peavy was burned for 3 TDs. CF posters think he is a lockdown corner but he is a nickel back at best. Campbell should be looking at the DC and D.K. McDonald for not trying someone else on the outside and putting Peavy inside on the slot.
Deshaunte Jones and Chase Allen need to be the targeted more often. And go more vertical. The two Butler TDs were more vertical than that &^%& bubble screen. I thought they threw that play out when dismissing Rhoads.
they are very physical, run good routes, block down field, for some reason, they just drop too many passes. I personally think most of the drops are from them trying too hard to make a catch into a bigger play. On Butler's drop you could tell he wanted to make a move as soon as he caught it, to get the TD of first down.
Park missed throws outside when the D had inside position, good spot to miss. He also makes some throws we haven't seen from an ISU qb in a long time.