Student turnout is apalling

I'm gonna bet your laziness is less than a college student and I'm also going to bet you have more free time than the majority of students who don't really understand priorities. I'm also going to guess since you're on Cyclone "Fanatic" that you aren't just a casual fan. That's what Iowa State needs. The die hards are in Hilton.

It absolutely can be included. JP needs to be able to sell to President Leath that the fee should stay because a good chunk of students have the chance to use it. It would be very easy to look at Jamie and say, "Why are we charging students money when we're turning away a large number of them because of the lack of available tickets for them?"

This year? Bad loss to UNI to start the year. We've got 2 quality wins in Hilton Coliseum (Kansas and Kansas State). The die hards are still there, but what incentive does someone who just casually follows Iowa State have to attend games? The most exciting thing to happen in Hilton during this generation of college students is beating Kansas this year. That's a great way to keep your freshman and sophomores around but you need them to keep tickets as upperclassmen instead of the freshman of 08 and 09 giving up tickets because the basketball stunk.

If all these upper classment "gave up tickets" we wouldn't have this issue. Instead, they've apparently kept buying tickets and just aren't going. And how in the hell is a 20-win season not enough to get ***** in the door for a conference game?
 
You could bring anyone you wanted with a college student ID into the Okie State game.
If all these upper classment "gave up tickets" we wouldn't have this issue. Instead, they've apparently kept buying tickets and just aren't going. And how in the hell is a 20-win season not enough to get ***** in the door for a conference game?

They haven't bought tickets which is leaving tickets for freshman who won't use them to buy. More likely to show up...a freshman or a junior who has had tickets for 2 years already?
 
For the Oklahoma State football game students with any college id could get $5 tickets to sit in the student section. Pretty sad Pollard had to rely on other students to fill his own student section with the #2 team in the country comming in.
 
They haven't bought tickets which is leaving tickets for freshman who won't use them to buy. More likely to show up...a freshman or a junior who has had tickets for 2 years already?

So, the ticket holders who don't show up AREN'T the students who have been forever turned off of basketball by the awful McDermott years? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
If you use the 45 fee then you need to throw in donor donations into the general season tickets. Seats I get from a friend, a section over from CA requires a 2500 donation. Add 300 for tickets and in 4 seats you now have 3700 for 4 seats.
 
I sit almost right next to the upper deck student section, and this is the first one in my 5 seasons up there that there have been students in the upper deck.

I'm not embarrassed at all by the last 3. Best student attendance we've had in years this season.

I sit right across from it so I have a better vantage point then you do, and your wrong. There have always been a handful of students who sit in the upper deck to avoid CA, and it hasn't changed for years, it always the same crowd/numbers. Over the last 3 home games we have had, it been the parquet section that has been embarrassing, and its been about the same as it has been the past 3 or 4 years. I understand the bad student attendance when ISU sucked, but that's not the case this year, and student attendance continues to be sub-par. The odd thing is, it seems to be getting worse as this season progresses, which does not make sense at all!
 
So, the ticket holders who don't show up AREN'T the students who have been forever turned off of basketball by the awful McDermott years? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Both. Because students my age (super senior) and slightly below me (seniors/juniors) cut the amount of tickets they purchased from awful hoops, their attendance fell. Couple that with freshman who are oblivious to having tickets and you didn't recover anything. Now if those older students buy tickets there aren't tickets for the freshman to not show up.
 
For the Oklahoma State football game students with any college id could get $5 tickets to sit in the student section. Pretty sad Pollard had to rely on other students to fill his own student section with the #2 team in the country comming in.

How many people does UNI draw for playoff games?
 
I sit right across from it so I have a better vantage point then you do, and your wrong. There have always been a handful of students who sit in the upper deck to avoid CA, and it hasn't changed for years, it always the same crowd/numbers. Over the last 3 home games we have had, it been the parquet section that has been embarrassing, and its been about the same as it has been the past 3 or 4 years. I understand the bad student attendance when ISU sucked, but that's not the case this year, and student attendance continues to be sub-par. The odd thing is, it seems to be getting worse as this season progresses, which does not make sense at all!

This year, they have spilled up to fill half or 2/3 of that section more than once. That's better student attendance than we've had in years.
 
If you use the 45 fee then you need to throw in donor donations into the general season tickets. Seats I get from a friend, a section over from CA requires a 2500 donation. Add 300 for tickets and in 4 seats you now have 3700 for 4 seats.
No you don't. Why does JP need the leverage for real season ticket holders? He can't exactly get screwed by the University on those tickets. And those upper level tickets aren't going for that. The parquet is always going to be students on the ends, people want the upper level released. That upper level is the cheapest seat in Hilton where JP can get a lot of money charging students for them and not just $99 tickets.
 
I honestly have never been to a UNI sporting event minus them playing ISU. I know for the playoffs though they are typically sold out.
 
I don't want to cut students coming to games, it is their to experience it. I do think that there needs to be a better way to do this so those students who want to show up can, but not have a bunch of idle seats.

I think having a pickup system would allow the ad to be able know who wants to come and still optimize ticket sales.
 
This year, they have spilled up to fill half or 2/3 of that section more than once. That's better student attendance than we've had in years.

I get that they showed up for the bigger games and that is defiantly an improvement from the bigger games of previous years, but overall the attendance is no where near where it should be, and the last 3 games have been pathetic.
 
I sit right across from it so I have a better vantage point then you do, and your wrong. There have always been a handful of students who sit in the upper deck to avoid CA, and it hasn't changed for years, it always the same crowd/numbers. Over the last 3 home games we have had, it been the parquet section that has been embarrassing, and its been about the same as it has been the past 3 or 4 years. I understand the bad student attendance when ISU sucked, but that's not the case this year, and student attendance continues to be sub-par. The odd thing is, it seems to be getting worse as this season progresses, which does not make sense at all!

Makes sense.
 
Both. Because students my age (super senior) and slightly below me (seniors/juniors) cut the amount of tickets they purchased from awful hoops, their attendance fell. Couple that with freshman who are oblivious to having tickets and you didn't recover anything. Now if those older students buy tickets there aren't tickets for the freshman to not show up.

I still don't fully agree with you, but this is the most sense your argument has made to me.
 
No you don't. Why does JP need the leverage for real season ticket holders? He can't exactly get screwed by the University on those tickets. And those upper level tickets aren't going for that. The parquet is always going to be students on the ends, people want the upper level released. That upper level is the cheapest seat in Hilton where JP can get a lot of money charging students for them and not just $99 tickets.

Always??? They weren't when I was there.

Like I said, if students want tickets show. I showed up to football during the walden years and that was rougher than McDermott. If there are going to be open seats, do a fire sale for 5-10 bucks and grab some extra cash and fill the seats.
 
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I have more pictures but they suck.... Yes the student section wasn't great but the whole arena wasn't "sold out". It was against a bad team and on a Wednesday night. Attendance is always a little weaker on week days. Let's quit blaming each other on who sucks at showing up and cheering and just cheer for the team.

It's not this end of the arena that I think most are complaining about, it's the sections directly across from it. This area is mostly $99 season ticket holders, not students.
 
For the Oklahoma State football game students with any college id could get $5 tickets to sit in the student section. Pretty sad Pollard had to rely on other students to fill his own student section with the #2 team in the country comming in.

How many students from other schools do you think were there?

I'm betting it was more ISU students who didn't have season tickets than anything.
 
They jumped on that football bandwagon pretty quick.

I think the issue is the structuring of student basketball tickets.

You cant compare football and anything else.
If the Beatles reunited (and Harrison and Lennon came back to life) for one show only, an NFL exhibition game would probably still sell more tickets.
 

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