We routinely get kids with one major offer, which is us. We very rarely get guys who "the big guys" want. So what is your point?
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We routinely get kids with one major offer, which is us. We very rarely get guys who "the big guys" want. So what is your point?
I think we have negative 4 spots left. I think they must be comfortable with expecting some attrition.
My point is if we are competing with the non Big Boys I would rather have talent from talent rich states. If a kid from Iowa wants to come here but isn't receiving big time offers then they are walk-on material.
Maybe true. I wanted to go to Miami but couldn't afford to go there and walk-on for $28K per year so I walked on at ISU and then earned a scholarship. I paid for school with student loans and grants (no help from parents) and passed up money from smaller schools because I didn't want to go to a small school. Point being if said person feels they can compete at a big school and has the desire to go there, there are programs to help them pay for school.
In college, excluding my freshman year yes, but in High School I was average because I didn't try to hard at school. But student loans and pell grants can still be gotten by students with poorer academics.
The coaching staff needs to draw a circle around the Des Moines metro area and say, "This is ours. Any recruit coming out of here is ours unless we don't want him." Obviously way easier said than done, but it would go a long way in improving the football program. The Des Moines metro area puts out some solid prospects and Ames isn't very far away. Can't keep letting these kids go to Iowa or out of state schools (except Raridon, stay away from him :biggrin9gp
The coaching staff needs to draw a circle around the Des Moines metro area and say, "This is ours. Any recruit coming out of here is ours unless we don't want him." Obviously way easier said than done, but it would go a long way in improving the football program. The Des Moines metro area puts out some solid prospects and Ames isn't very far away. Can't keep letting these kids go to Iowa or out of state schools (except Raridon, stay away from him :biggrin9gp
Usually if a kid grows up rooting for a team and his dad also played for that team, he's probably going to go there if they want him. Unfortunately, there are still far too many young kids that grow up cheering for iowa because of poor parenting. Raridon's dad played at Nebraska too, correct?
Plus, it would really go a long way in recruiting if we won more than 2-3 games.
Lotta frustration in this thread. TigerCYJM, I see where you are coming from and I was backing your mindset until I looked at the roster. Around 1/3 of our roster is from Iowa. We really give plenty of opportunities to local kids to play for their home team. We are gonna miss on occasion. Everyone does.
I agree that a similarly talented kid from Iowa will possibly play with a little more heart than someone that has no local connections. I tend to root a little harder for the homegrown talent to succeed. However, a kid from Texas that gets overlooked from all of the in-state universities could easily be playing with a chip on his shoulder and give even more effort. It's just based on each individual.
Wated Talent made a great post saying that enthusiasm and heart may win a quarter or a half but talent wins games. I agree with this completely. It seemed like a little bit more enthusiasm and heart may have made the difference between a win and a loss last year. A little more talent would have made the difference between multiple wins and losses last year.
As far as next season, I'm staying optimistic. Until they give me a reason on the field to think otherwise, next year's team is going to be better. 8-9 months without football is too long to only think of negative thoughts.
I agree that a similarly talented kid from Iowa will possibly play with a little more heart than someone that has no local connections. I tend to root a little harder for the homegrown talent to succeed. However, a kid from Texas that gets overlooked from all of the in-state universities could easily be playing with a chip on his shoulder and give even more effort. It's just based on each individual.
Wated Talent made a great post saying that enthusiasm and heart may win a quarter or a half but talent wins games. I agree with this completely. It seemed like a little bit more enthusiasm and heart may have made the difference between a win and a loss last year. A little more talent would have made the difference between multiple wins and losses last year.
As far as next season, I'm staying optimistic. Until they give me a reason on the field to think otherwise, next year's team is going to be better. 8-9 months without football is too long to only think of negative thoughts.
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Or they're just better than Iowa kids...I'm all for getting Iowa kids but if we're going to make it in this league we have to become a Texas school located in Iowa. If we have to allocate resources away from Iowa to Texas so be it.
Yeah, that's how it usually works. However, if Iowa State wants to improve, the coaches need to get the kids from this area. The coaching staff can go to Texas, Florida, California and try to dig up recruits there, but it is more important to lockdown your local talent. At some point Iowa State has to become the school that local kids want to play for. Yes, it would go a long way in recruiting if the Cyclones weren't winning a couple games a year, but getting these talented local kids would go a long way in winning more than 2-3 games a year.
Raridon's dad was an All-American OL for Nebraska.
This is were it becomes a chicken and egg condition. Yes, we need Iowa kids playing and spreading the Cyclone seeds. But we also need to win. If you build it they will come (but you can't build the whole thing on Iowa kids that didn't want to go to UI...).
What I don't understand is the assumption that a kid from Texas is better than a kid from Iowa just based on where he grew up. Iowa, for the most part, is under recruited, and we should use that to our advantage.
I agree that a majority of our players need to come from states where football is king. The conditioning and competition are too tough to replicate in Iowa. It's still going to be based on each individual, though. We have to find more diamonds in the rough than most schools because until we give the best talent in TX a reason to leave TX, we're going to be picking through what's left.
Texas kids practice 24/7 year round. They live football more. That is why there are so many qbs available to recruit.
The talent pool is vastly larger in a state where football is religion. My cousins played in New Braunfels (where TE Alex Leslie is from) and I can tell you football is above everything else. For years the most read single newspaper in the state was the Dallas Morning News after NSD.
What I'm talking about selling out to the state of Texas. I want to let TX kids know that we intend to make ISU a Texan team inside the Iowa borders. More TX recruits, more Texan assistants, more time in Texas.
I absolutely want to keep recruiting Iowa as hard as possible but the league we're in is a Texan league. Period.