Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[HouClone]

If we have to pick a G5 school for 14, what about revisiting San Diego State? They have negatives like the others but this helps the Colorado and Arizona schools alumni base argument against the Big 12. Very good basketball, decent football, Pacific time zone. Takes off #1 Pac expansion team.

They were Big 12 bashers, and geography is not good but won't be as bad if we get the Arizona schools. I still would take Utah, WOAR any day but it they are hell bent on sticking it out with the Pac or get a Big 10 invite, then SD St worthy again for a look for them to enter the league in a couple years.

 

[Cyched]

Washington State might as well be Idaho, according to that map.

They’re only something like 10 miles from U of Idaho. A bit of a rivalry.

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You know what to do George.

 

[OldCurmudgeon]

Or his sources are telling him to hang tight while things are going on.

From what I understand, part of it is Robbins is in England at the moment. Things may not happen until he returns.

 

[isucy86]

GK's world must be an absolute ****show right now. He had a good idea of what the media rights deal would be with 10 teams in the conference. And those numbers were probably not as good as the B12's numbers. With Colorado leaving the media rights numbers have changed (for the worse) and he would have to negotiate a deal with 9 teams. If AZ leaves, the numbers change again. And it is very doubtful that OR and WA will stay in the conference.

GK boxed himself in by stating that the PAC12 would not expand until the media rights deal was finalized. But we know that the PAC12 will need backfill with new schools (SDSU, SMU, Boise St., etc) to maintain at least 10 schools to have a conference championship game (the B12 knows that situation). This again will change the media rights numbers with G5 schools being added. Requirements to get into the College Football Playoffs may impose requirements for a minimum number of schools within a conference. I can see this moving to 12 or 14 schools since most conferences have grown to that size.

I understand GK's approach. I'm sure they are negotiating 10 or 12 teams with the idea if the 9 vested schools agree to a deal, they can always add 1 or 3.

Plus depending on the Pac media deal pricing, could determine the partial share structure for new members.

 

[isucy86]

If we have to pick a G5 school for 14, what about revisiting San Diego State? They have negatives like the others but this helps the Colorado and Arizona schools alumni base argument against the Big 12. Very good basketball, decent football, Pacific time zone. Takes off #1 Pac expansion team.

They were Big 12 bashers, and geography is not good but won't be as bad if we get the Arizona schools. I still would take Utah, WOAR any day but it they are hell bent on sticking it out with the Pac or get a Big 10 invite, then SD St worthy again for a look for them to enter the league in a couple years.

What confuses me, didn't SDSU (and any other MWC team) miss the deadline to join Pac12 for 2024 season?

I guess it's possible a school with deep pocketed donors might be able to come up with $34M.

 

[AttackOfTheClones]

I agree with your first part here. Yet Stanford has the #1 athletic dept in the country annually. Their football, MBB, and WBB teams would be an ok fit for the Big 12.
They would have to go independent for:
Rowing, Squash, Water Polo, Men's gymnastics, Men's swimming/diving, Artistic swimming, men's tennis, fencing, lacrosse, Field Hockey, sailing, beach volleyball.

yes, they have SQUASH and 35 other sports teams insane

To be clear I prefer Az, oregon, washington, ASU, and Utah to uconn, but if none come Uconn is better than not adding a team.

I prefer Uconn to osu, wazzu, stanford, and cal. and to g tech, bc cuse, and wake forest from the ACC.

 

[Stormin]

If we have to pick a G5 school for 14, what about revisiting San Diego State? They have negatives like the others but this helps the Colorado and Arizona schools alumni base argument against the Big 12. Very good basketball, decent football, Pacific time zone. Takes off #1 Pac expansion team.

They were Big 12 bashers, and geography is not good but won't be as bad if we get the Arizona schools. I still would take Utah, WOAR any day but it they are hell bent on sticking it out with the Pac or get a Big 10 invite, then SD St worthy again for a look for them to enter the league in a couple years.

We will not pick a G5 school.

 

[AttackOfTheClones]

akin to Iowa fans claiming they never wanted a recruit in the first place--that ended up @ ISU (even though the recruit was recruited by Iowa)

Paraphrased: When a team is about to leave you'll start to hear "We didn't want them anyway"

 

[exCyDing]

Let me ask you a question. Would you have been alright with the Longhorn Conference? Because that's essentially what you're saying. I would rather see ISU go to the MAC than allow another school to run roughshod over the conference again. I'd be happy with Oregon, but only as an equal member.

So let’s say, hypothetically, Oregon and Washington join the B12. At some point, one, the other or both demand some sort of special treatment. The rest of the conference is either against it or not necessarily for it. Why would they give in?

Now, let’s say at some point in the future, the B10 invites one, the other, or both. What could the B12 offer them to stick around?

Texas always had the leverage of leaving for the SEC/B10/PAC or just going independent. What options would Oregon or Washington have that are similar?

 

[tman24]

So let’s say, hypothetically, Oregon and Washington join the B12. At some point, one, the other or both demand some sort of special treatment. The rest of the conference is either against it or not necessarily for it. Why would they give in?

Now, let’s say at some point in the future, the B10 invites one, the other, or both. What could the B12 offer them to stick around?

Texas always had the leverage of leaving for the SEC/B10/PAC or just going independent. What options would Oregon or Washington have that are similar?

We let them leave after the contract is up (or pay to leave early) and reload with some other schools. We got the current contract without them we won't need them for the next one. ACC will be ready to blow up by that point anyway.

 

[RustShack]

So let’s say, hypothetically, Oregon and Washington join the B12. At some point, one, the other or both demand some sort of special treatment. The rest of the conference is either against it or not necessarily for it. Why would they give in?

Now, let’s say at some point in the future, the B10 invites one, the other, or both. What could the B12 offer them to stick around?

Texas always had the leverage of leaving for the SEC/B10/PAC or just going independent. What options would Oregon or Washington have that are similar?

They can pay their buyout and be on their way then.

 

[CyCrazy]

We will not pick a G5 school.

Of course not BY isn't stupid.

 

[t-noah]

Lets all please realize that UConn is the emergency backup plan for team #14, IF AND ONLY IF the PAC sticks together and no further defections.

So no need to crap on UConn, and argue others are better- of course they are. But in the worst case scenario, UConn gets an invite. And long term they have value for bball and an east coast presence. Its fine.

This is true. And if UCONN was playing in the Big 12, their FB program would improve dramatically, and probably pretty quickly. They are the only major college in CT, which has a greater population than Iowa, etc, etc. And their facilities would improve with time as well. And there is this BB thing...they more than check that box.

Sure, we (and most prognosticators) are not talking about UCONN being the first, second or third choice here, but they would have value.

For now though, football is king and that's what will drive the next step for the Big 12. It won't add UCONN this round. And UCONN will still be there a few years down the road, maybe even if they are picked up by the ACC. The ACC is about ready to do a massive shift, or implode. It is a ticking time bomb.

 

[Bestaluckcy]

So do people in the northeast just look at leaves on Saturdays in the fall or what? They don’t watch their teams play college football and I think it would be a little brisk to go to the ocean. Clean up the trawler maybe?

 

[Uncle Paul]

This is true. And if UCONN was playing in the Big 12, their FB program would improve dramatically, and probably pretty quickly. They are the only major college in CT, which has a greater population than Iowa, etc, etc. And their facilities would improve with time as well. And there is this BB thing...they more than check that box.

Sure, we (and most prognosticators) are not talking about UCONN being the first, second or third choice here, but they would have value.

For now though, football is king and that's what will drive the next step for the Big 12. It won't add UCONN this round. And UCONN will still be there a few years down the road, maybe even if they are picked up by the ACC. The ACC is about ready to do a massive shift, or implode. It is a ticking time bomb.

It hasn't been that long since UCONN was a ranked team playing in BCS bowl game "Fiesta Bowl 2011" Oklahoma killed them but they had some ranked teams in the early 2000's it wouldn't take much to get them back to a decent team.

 

[exCyDing]

We let them leave after the contract is up (or pay to leave early) and reload with some other schools. We got the current contract without them we won't need them for the next one. ACC will be ready to blow up by that point anyway.

They can pay their buyout and be on their way then.

Exactly. And that’s why neither can or will be the “next Texas.” They have no leverage to get special treatment.

 

[Allikat]

I did a road trip this weekend and downloaded several podcasts.

Small sample but a stark difference between the Oregon talking head (Spencer McLaughlin) vs. Washington talking heads (Trevor Mueller and Jake Grant).

Both effectively said:

"We would be one of the best teams in the Big 12 (if not dominate) because we are the best off the Pac"
"Colorado, the football team loss - eh"
"Colorado, the school defection - yikes (but that does not kill the PAC)"

Oregon, however, said:

"The only options are 1) join the Big 12 who has it going on or 2) HOPE that the PAC 9-12 figures it out."
"I wish for the PAC but can get on board with the Big 12 - they are trendy and hip"

Washington's talking heads are clueless:

They think Nebraska is still in the Big 12.
They think West Virginia is one of the best three schools in the Big 12.
The think a Big 10 or SEC invite is coming instead of an offer from the Big 12.
They seem to think a merger of the best of Big 12 and PAC is going to happen if the offer from the Big 10 or SEC does not happen.

Oregon Podcast (Locked on Ducks)

Washington Podcast (4th and Inches)

Give me Oregon first, AZ second. I'll trust BY to figure out the third.

Washington can enjoy the new Mountain West.

 

[RustShack]

There’s a chance someone else becomes the new perennial power in the Big12 and gets invited to the B1G or SEC anyways. Just depends on how big those conferences want to get after poaching the ACC. Both conferences seem to like matching each other number of team wise, another reason I want Oregon, Washington, and Arizona. Get to 16 just like them.

 

[jdoggivjc]

This is true. And if UCONN was playing in the Big 12, their FB program would improve dramatically, and probably pretty quickly. They are the only major college in CT, which has a greater population than Iowa, etc, etc. And their facilities would improve with time as well. And there is this BB thing...they more than check that box.

Sure, we (and most prognosticators) are not talking about UCONN being the first, second or third choice here, but they would have value.

For now though, football is king and that's what will drive the next step for the Big 12. It won't add UCONN this round. And UCONN will still be there a few years down the road, maybe even if they are picked up by the ACC. The ACC is about ready to do a massive shift, or implode. It is a ticking time bomb.

All I'm going to say is... replace "UConn" with "Rutgers" and "Big 12" with "Big 10" and that's what everyone was saying 12 years ago. Fast forward to now, and in retrospect almost everyone regrets bringing Rutgers into the conference. Perhaps not quite as much as Nebraska, but the regret is real.

I will say this, though, in regards to UConn - they actually do have a following for both their men's and women's basketball teams, and the fact that their football team has no following is because they perpetually suck, so maybe if they turn it around they can be credible at the P3 level. I'm just saying - promoting a school to an upper tier conference and assuming their sports programs will step up the challenge does not always work, and we have real and recent examples of that.

 

[Jkclone15]

There’s a chance someone else becomes the new perennial power in the Big12 and gets invited to the B1G or SEC anyways. Just depends on how big those conferences want to get after poaching the ACC. Both conferences seem to like matching each other number of team wise, another reason I want Oregon, Washington, and Arizona. Get to 16 just like them.

Winning helps (that's why they took Nebraska) but it isn't the only consideration. Demographically there aren't any large fish left in the B12. TCU has the market but is tiny. Same with Houston. Honestly the school with the highest ceiling is probably UCF because of the student pop and state pop, but there are already 3 P5's in Florida to contend with.