Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[twojman]

Nobody is going to take less to take UConn obviously. But It all depends, if ESPN wants to throw in 5m and fox throws in 5, and UConn would be good with that for this contract..,then maybe they do it. Sure it's a long shot...it's just what UConn would take vs what the networks will pay for uconn.

I thought for realignment purposes UCONN was considered P5. I swear I read some ace Fox and ESPN agreed to pro rata for them. I've read a lot of stuff though so I could be wrong.

 

[tsirnickesqcy]

As I recall the MU pres was on B12 exec committee before they left. Probably put AZ pres on while he was gone.

You are correct. Subtle pressure but doesn’t affect the end result.

 

[RustShack]

BY also has the information that only P5 additions get guaranteed the $31.7 million payment from ESPN and Fox. University Presidents know they get less money than $31.7 million if they add G5 UConn. Those are the numbers you need to know. That is why discussion of adding G5 UConn is absurd. BY used UConn to motivate Pac12 schools that need to make a decision that the clock is ticking.

I honestly don’t think it comes down to actually adding UCONN, but if it does for some crazy reason, they aren’t getting full shares for this contract. ESPN and Fox may agree to pay them more than the small sum they make now, but probably still less than 10-15 million combined(I want to say they make 4mill now). The risk would be for the new contract, and if BY is right and can get more separating the basketball contract. But if they don’t agree to add a little more for their partial shares, the Big12 isn’t taking less to add them.

But again I think worst case scenario we add Arizona and stay at 14. I don’t think UCONN will be the 14th. I think it’s more likely we get Oregon and Washington to get to 16 than it is for UCONN to join.

 

[RezClone]

What recruiting rankings? Their best ranking ever was 38, with most seasons being in the 40’s-70’s. Houston is a super low bar to have more success then. Like I hope everything works out but the idea that these schools are somehow going to make some kind of magic leap while facing a huge bump in competition is out there.

To be fair, 40-70s puts them basically in line with the rest of the big 12 (besides OuT) and that's without P5 status.

 

[NWICY]

So let’s say, hypothetically, Oregon and Washington join the B12. At some point, one, the other or both demand some sort of special treatment. The rest of the conference is either against it or not necessarily for it. Why would they give in?

Now, let’s say at some point in the future, the B10 invites one, the other, or both. What could the B12 offer them to stick around?

Texas always had the leverage of leaving for the SEC/B10/PAC or just going independent. What options would Oregon or Washington have that are similar?

If we are still a strong #3 conference at that time let them go we don't need those headaches again. The B12 is never going to pay as much as the B1G SEC

 

[KidSilverhair]

UCONN is absolutely the backup plan if everyone else says no. We have to have an even number in 2024 and it’s a last resort to get there. It would be disappointing for sure if we have to go that route.

For all the pointing and laughing I’m doing at the PAC desperately trying to justify SDSU/SMU/Tulane, if the B12 makes UConn the 14th member that’s basically the same thing.

I mean, sure they’re a basketball blueblood, but that has zero impact on current conference realignment/media deals.

 

[isucy86]

BY also has the information that only P5 additions get guaranteed the $31.7 million payment from ESPN and Fox. University Presidents know they get less money than $31.7 million if they add G5 UConn. Those are the numbers you need to know. That is why discussion of adding G5 UConn is absurd. BY used UConn to motivate Pac12 schools that need to make a decision that the clock is ticking.

There is NO WAY UConn is coming to Big12 on a full share, that would dilute the 13 existing schools $31.7M payment.

UConn is an odd # play right now. If that doesn't work out, they become a basketball play. There's a lot of flexibility because UConn is a football independent.

 

[Stormin]

UCONN is absolutely the backup plan if everyone else says no. We have to have an even number in 2024 and it’s a last resort to get there. It would be disappointing for sure if we have to go that route.

Arizona is coming. IMO the odds might be better winning the lottery than UConn getting an invitation. Arizona increases the basketball profile very well. We really do not need UConn to enhance our basketball profile. And they are a geographic outlier. But go ahead and convince yourself that UConn has a shot. They don’t. There is no PAC deal. Big 12 will get the teams they want from PAC 12. ASU and Utah may possibly be left out. If the money for PAC 12 was bad before, it has gotten even worse now.

 

[t-noah]

This is an interesting Gif! It has incoming OC Scheelhaase, CMC, and outgoing OC Manning.

Hopefully that is a good omen.

 

[Clonehomer]

For all the pointing and laughing I’m doing at the PAC desperately trying to justify SDSU/SMU/Tulane, if the B12 makes UConn the 14th member that’s basically the same thing.

I mean, sure they’re a basketball blueblood, but that has zero impact on current conference realignment/media deals.

So what’s your plan if AZ, OR, and WA stay in the PAC?

 

[t-noah]

So let’s say, hypothetically, Oregon and Washington join the B12. At some point, one, the other or both demand some sort of special treatment. The rest of the conference is either against it or not necessarily for it. Why would they give in?

Now, let’s say at some point in the future, the B10 invites one, the other, or both. What could the B12 offer them to stick around?

Texas always had the leverage of leaving for the SEC/B10/PAC or just going independent. What options would Oregon or Washington have that are similar?

I'm not going to listen again (it is about a 2 hour POD), but these guys had a good discussion on the matter.

I'll try to summarize and partially answer your question: UO has offended the B1G & it's possible the B1G doesn't want them anymore. BY is a forward thinker & don't underestimate what he might do to entice UO. For example BY might allow Big 12 to accept naming rights. If so, perhaps BY and Phil Knight agree to something like 'The Nike Big 16' conference or whatever. This could entice UO longterm, financially, via UO's primary benefactor, Knight. They go on from there, and many other points worth considering. Near the middle and end, they all get into the ACC a bit, and the stronger possibility now that it is going to break up sooner vs. later.

It's a good listen. I thought it was very informative.

If we are still a strong #3 conference at that time let them go we don't need those headaches again. The B12 is never going to pay as much as the B1G SEC

Yes, if UO/WA are in the Big 12 for a short period of time, then get an invite to the P2, let them go. They will pay their out fee per whatever GOR is agreed to.

 

[Stormin]

So what’s your plan if AZ, OR, and WA stay in the PAC?

So you must believe GK that the deals are getting better? The deal they might have had is gone with Colorado leaving. IMO we have a better than even shot at all three schools. AZ, OR, and WA

 

[stateofmind]

This is an interesting Gif! It has incoming OC Scheelhaase, CMC, and outgoing OC Manning.

Hopefully that is a good omen.

Kempt and Golesh, not Manning.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I'm not going to listen again (it is about a 2 hour POD), but these guys had a good discussion on the matter.

I'll try to summarize and partially answer your question: UO has offended the B1G & it's possible the B1G doesn't want them anymore. BY is a forward thinker & don't underestimate what he might do to entice UO. For example BY might allow Big 12 to accept naming rights. If so, perhaps BY and Phil Knight agree to something like 'The Nike Big 16' conference or whatever. This could entice UO longterm, financially, via UO's primary benefactor, Knight. They go on from there, and many other points worth considering. Near the middle and end, they all get into the ACC a bit, and the stronger possibility now that it is going to break up sooner vs. later.

It's a good listen. I thought it was very informative.

Yes, if UO/WA are in the Big 12 for a short period of time, then get an invite to the P2, let them go. They will pay their out fee per whatever GOR is agreed to.

I’m sorry but if this is true then it sounds like you’re trading the texas problem for something much worse. Conference naming rights? Are we serious? If you think the perception of the Big12 is rough right now adding Oregon and immediately allowing them to rename the conference would be the most JV thing I’ve ever seen. The commish has been a rock star so far so I assume he won’t do something this stupid.

 

[Cmonwhatarewedoinghereman]

I thought for realignment purposes UCONN was considered P5. I swear I read some ace Fox and ESPN agreed to pro rata for them. I've read a lot of stuff though so I could be wrong.

Could get a little weird for Fox and UCONN. Not sure Fox would be hyped about losing their best Big East basketball program to a rival network.

 

[Clonehomer]

So you must believe GK that the deals are getting better? The deal they might have had is gone with Colorado leaving. IMO we have a better than even shot at all three schools. AZ, OR, and WA

No. I’ve said before that I think the only way that AZ stays in the PAC is if the academics force it. The decision is with the president, not the athletic department. So, there’s a chance their move does get turned down.

If AZ stays, then I can see ORWA trying to stick it out for another media cycle.

I’m not saying this is likely to happen. But it is a possibility. Hopefully a. Wry small possibility. So the Big12 should plan for such. UCONN should not be accepted until every PAC schools says no. But we can’t say that’s there’s no chance for them to get an invite until we know for sure that there’s a PAC school coming. I would have hoped that they have the assurance of a school before accepting Colorado, but that’s only known by the people in the room.

 

[CyCrazy]

I’m sorry but if this is true then it sounds like you’re trading the texas problem for something much worse. Conference naming rights? Are we serious? If you think the perception of the Big12 is rough right now adding Oregon and immediately allowing them to rename the conference would be the most JV thing I’ve ever seen. The commish has been a rock star so far so I assume he won’t do something this stupid.

Leaders and Legends........

And Naming rights is nothing what Texas has done to confereces. Who cares if it has naming rights? Everything else does, NIke Money is fine with me.

UO has no where near the power of Texas, phil knight or not lol

 

[2speedy1]

BY also has the information that only P5 additions get guaranteed the $31.7 million payment from ESPN and Fox. University Presidents know they get less money than $31.7 million if they add G5 UConn. Those are the numbers you need to know. That is why discussion of adding G5 UConn is absurd. BY used UConn to motivate Pac12 schools that need to make a decision that the clock is ticking.

To be fair....the only person that knows what BY knows is BY.

The only things we know is either what he wants us to know or what the media speculates.

I would stop short of thinking we know what is on the table in front of BY.

For all we know he has everything worked out regardless of the scenario of additions, but has preferences to the scenario.

 

[KidSilverhair]

So what’s your plan if AZ, OR, and WA stay in the PAC?

I don’t have a plan, Yormark is still refusing to bring me on as a consultant.

I said before, 13 works for me for 2024-25. Somebody said you can’t do 9 conference games with 13, maybe that’s an issue, I dunno.

 

[CyCrazy]

Disagree all you want Sparty.