Ok what am i missing with our recruiting?

[Tre4ISU]

2007 KO (offered by Mizzou, TCU, Houston and other mid majors)
2007 Colin Franklin
2009 Jake Knott
2009 AJ Klein
2008 Leonard Johnson (had at least 8 other high D1 offers. Ole Miss, Nebraska, etc)
2006 Alexander Robinson (had offers from Minnesota and Kentucky)
2008 Scott Haughton (actually at one point had BIG TIME offers. Michigan, FSU, etc but didn't have grades so people backed off. We somehow got him here, and than grades where the end of it)
2005 Jesse Smith (walkon who was MLB for teams that won 3,2 and 6 games in a season. Love him but come on)
2010 Shontrelle Johnson (Northwestern, Florida, GT, Kentucky, Vanderbilt)
2005 Ace Bowen (Cincinatti, KSU, Pittsburgh)

Thank you for helping me make my point. You listed what you would consider the differnece makers. We are getting maybe 1 diamond in the rough a class? I count 4 out of the 5 years you gave me. All others were recruited by other schools.

And from 2006 to now our record has been
4-8
3-9
2-10
6-6
5-7
6-6

So, are we going to get some guys nobody else has heard of and develop them? Absolutely. I think Symrie is that guy this year. But we need guys like Leonard Johnson in there as well to help us. Arguing otherwise is just not admitting the truth

Damien Lawry crushes Leonard's offer list. I also think Rogers could be as good, if not better than Johnson when he's done. I just don't understand why we are acting like this is the end of the class in June. Nobody like Brown has an offer in June unless the staff wants them. There was little competition for him and they could have waited that out. I'm not going to go look but I would bet from the beginning of the RHoads era we have increased in BCS offers in each year. That tells me that they have identified talent that other programs are. With that in mind, I have to think they know what we need and they know who will bring it. These guys aren't exciting, but they aren't complete fallback options.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Haughton had a profile. His name is Adrin not Scott. He was a big time commit that nobody thought would be able to make it do to grades.

Good call. That shows a Buffalo offer. Another point-We don't actually know who has offered and we certainly don't know who would offer in two months. Sometimes someone comes in late and sometimes the kid won't even talk to anyone else. For all we know, Brown could be hanging up on Florida and Miami for the next 6 months. It makes good message board talk but when it comes down to offers there's no way of knowing exactly what was out there. How many offers do you think Rohach could have gotten? Maybe another 5 or 6 last year?

 

[MartyFine]

What do you know, your name is Marty Fine! :smile:

Seriously though, do stars mean everything? Absolutely not. But do offers. YES. We aren't competing with anyone on these kids. I'm not expecting 4 stars and I don't think anyone is. But it would be nice if we had some kids coming in that were at least being looked at by other schools. That is important.

What we read here contains known offers, and also known interest. We aren't always sure who has offered a player, and even using the "looked at" standard we can't be sure.

 

[Clones85']

Damien Lawry crushes Leonard's offer list. I also think Rogers could be as good, if not better than Johnson when he's done. I just don't understand why we are acting like this is the end of the class in June. Nobody like Brown has an offer in June unless the staff wants them. There was little competition for him and they could have waited that out. I'm not going to go look but I would bet from the beginning of the RHoads era we have increased in BCS offers in each year. That tells me that they have identified talent that other programs are. With that in mind, I have to think they know what we need and they know who will bring it. These guys aren't exciting, but they aren't complete fallback options.

Who is acting like that? I think people that are so quick to defend are being more dramatic than the people questioning things. I'm not worried about the class. I've been an ISU fan all my life and this looks (sadly) pretty typical to me. But it is a LEGIT question. Why do pretty much all our guys have no other interest from other schools? It's not a good sign no matter how people want to spin it.

Rodgers could be a diamond in the rough. But programs that compete with other schools for recruits and get them, win more games and they do it more consistently

 

[bozclone]

Seems to me that the kids with multiple BCS offers might not commit to us early in the process unless they have some tie to ISU. I would think many of our earlier commitments would be kids with few D1 offers that we have evaluated at camp or that some coaching connection has led us to.

 

[Clones85']

What we read here contains known offers, and also known interest. We aren't always sure who has offered a player, and even using the "looked at" standard we can't be sure.

Yes we are. Either Paul Clark or CW have talked to each one of these recruits and they tell us who has offered. These kids aren't going to forget their best offers

 

[Tre4ISU]

Who is acting like that? I think people that are so quick to defend are being more dramatic than the people questioning things. I'm not worried about the class. I've been an ISU fan all my life and this looks (sadly) pretty typical to me. But it is a LEGIT question. Why do pretty much all our guys have no other interest from other schools? It's not a good sign no matter how people want to spin it.

Rodgers could be a diamond in the rough. But programs that compete with other schools for recruits and get them, win more games and they do it more consistently

I'm not saying it's not a legit question. I'm saying that this staff has gone out and gotten those kids at a higher rate than we have in the past so I'm not worried when they offer a kid in June. Brown is a zero worry recruit for me even though there isn't interest. How many generic three star RBs are in FL? I'm guessing a lot. I'm guess there are a lot without much in the way of BCS attention and I'm guessing there are some with low level BCS attention. In June, there are going to be guys who aren't getting a lot of attention due to numerous things (injury, stud ahead of them, teams style) but that doesn't mean the story won't change. I bet Brown field BCS calls at some point in the future. I bet a lot of our guys do. So, maybe he would be Miami's fallback if they miss out on a couple others guys. I'll take that right now. If we were hauling these guys in in January with their current lists, it would be different but there's a lot left to happen.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Bye Billy!!

Thanks for bringing nothing to life...or to the BORED.


Yeah and again..im not expecting 4 or 5 star guys.....i just thought the momentum we'd be hearing of guys that want to hop on bored by now. Maybe thats not a realistic expectation for our program or from a timing standpoint in the recruiting process...i honestly dont know....im certainly no football recruiting expert......

When DO we hit the panic button?

You should look in the mirror.

 

[Clones85']

Seems to me that the kids with multiple BCS offers might not commit to us early in the process unless they have some tie to ISU. I would think many of our earlier commitments would be kids with few D1 offers that we have evaluated at camp or that some coaching connection has led us to.

This is correct. While most have questions regarding our recruiting, we also need to realize that at this point last year we only had 4 commits and Quan West was the only 1 with other D1 offers. I think we felt good at this point though b/c we got them in March and 1 was Rohach who despite his offers was a pretty big get and Knott who has the bloodlines.

 

[mt85]

Bye Billy!!

Thanks for bringing nothing to life...or to the BORED.


Yeah and again..im not expecting 4 or 5 star guys.....i just thought the momentum we'd be hearing of guys that want to hop on bored by now. Maybe thats not a realistic expectation for our program or from a timing standpoint in the recruiting process...i honestly dont know....im certainly no football recruiting expert......

When DO we hit the panic button?

Now you're capitalizing your stupidity.

 

[isuno1fan]

hah....oh i know....thus the reference to the Sunshine and Rainbows Jihad that resides on the bored.

Im not trying to offend.....just curious as to whats going on with that aspect of it.

Basketballl has momentum.....thus...Morris and Thomas signing.....figured football would have the same.

Here's the truth

No matter what...and I mean no matter what, it will ALWAYS be difficult to recruit for FB to Ames, Iowa.

I don't care who the coach is or how many wins we put up in a given year.

 

[Clones85']

I'm not saying it's not a legit question. I'm saying that this staff has gone out and gotten those kids at a higher rate than we have in the past so I'm not worried when they offer a kid in June. Brown is a zero worry recruit for me even though there isn't interest. How many generic three star RBs are in FL? I'm guessing a lot. I'm guess there are a lot without much in the way of BCS attention and I'm guessing there are some with low level BCS attention. In June, there are going to be guys who aren't getting a lot of attention due to numerous things (injury, stud ahead of them, teams style) but that doesn't mean the story won't change. I bet Brown field BCS calls at some point in the future. I bet a lot of our guys do. So, maybe he would be Miami's fallback if they miss out on a couple others guys. I'll take that right now. If we were hauling these guys in in January with their current lists, it would be different but there's a lot left to happen.

Hey I agree with this. I think there is a line in the middle of "our recruits suck" and "I trust the staff, recruiting sites don't know jack". At some point to get over the edge and consistently stay over the edge (7+ wins) we need to improve our recruiting.

 

[DesertClone1]

Here we go....... this will end well without reading a single post I already know how it will end.

*grabs popcorn*

 

[DesertClone1]

and those profile rankings don't mean ****.

well that's not true

You're wrong.

 

[mattyice]

Here's the truth

No matter what...and I mean no matter what, it will ALWAYS be difficult to recruit for FB to Ames, Iowa.

I don't care who the coach is or how many wins we put up in a given year.

Why do you think that?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Hey I agree with this. I think there is a line in the middle of "our recruits suck" and "I trust the staff, recruiting sites don't know jack". At some point to get over the edge and consistently stay over the edge (7+ wins) we need to improve our recruiting.

Definitely. I'm in this group "A lot of this staff has worked at very good BCS programs and knows what kind of talent it takes to win." Sure, CPR can't go after the guys he went to get at Auburn but that simply means we have to look harder and deeper (haha, that's what she said) at guys who have something we need. What give me faith in that is the seemingly increased talent that we have been able to see and we haven't even seen a lot of these guys yet.

 

[DesertClone1]

Here's the truthNo matter what...and I mean no matter what, it will ALWAYS be difficult to recruit for FB to Ames, Iowa.I don't care who the coach is or how many wins we put up in a given year.

Why do you think that?

Really?

 

[cyhiphopp]

One thing we don't need to speculate on: early offer guys are guys the staff definitely wants. They may be under the radar or undervalued compared to guys they view with similar skill levels who are higher rated and they like them just as much. Why spend the resources in playing the game with a 'rated' guy when you can get a guy you like just as much for your system without nearly as much competition? We haven't seen the same kind of desperation recruiting moves under the CPR regime that we did under the Mac years, so I tend to give Rhoads the benefit of the doubt. I see the overall level of athletes increasing under CPR and his own comments lend credibility to this.

The talent level is getting better, but the real question remains is it getting better fast enough to move up the ladder in the conference with arguably the best talent in the country? Life is just really tough in the Big12 and we need high character guys who want the challenge of being the underdog 2/3 of the time and maybe won't get the limelight from national media. They also need to be really good players.

I think everyone should read the above post again.

The past few years CPR has extended a few early scholarship offers to kids he had seen at camp or someone he or the staff had seen previously. Guys like Jevohn Miller and Barkley Hill. I remember people on this board at the time these guys were offered and commited saying that we should have waited and tried to get them to walk on. Jevohn came in and has already impressed the staff and is playing well. Barkley ended up getting wooed away by Iowa who were rumored to have been waiting on senior film before they offered him. CPR has taken calculated risks in offering kids early who he thinks will blow up and are talented enough to play at ISU.

Out of state guys in the same situation like Grant Rohach and Jared Barnett. Neither of these guys had a lot of offers when ISU came in. We offered them early because we thought they were exactly what we wanted and we went after them hard. They commited early as a result. Rohach could have gotten a lot more offer and I think Barnett could have as well.


Let's look at Brown specifically and also look at the RBs that CPRs staff has brought in. Have any of them been completely unable to play? I think the staff knows what they are looking for with RBs and if they offered Brown this early, then they deffinitely want him. Brown himself stated in his interview with CW that South Florida (a BCS school in a similar sitation as ISU) had been showing him interest lately. It is not out of the realm of possibility that other schools would also start looking at him, especially once he has game film from his senior year.



The offers and interest that these guys have now is not necessarily the only offers and interest that they would have 4 months from now. We will never know either, because if they are fully commited, they may stop talking to other schools all together and not show any further offers or interest. Now, if CPR did as some of you wanted and waited a few months before offering a guy like Brown, he may have impressed USF and a couple of other southern schools in his first few games as a senior. He could then have 4 other solid offers and decide to stay closer to home. CPR is taking the risk to offer and go after him hard now so he can lock him up early.

 

[Clones85']

Definitely. I'm in this group "A lot of this staff has worked at very good BCS programs and knows what kind of talent it takes to win." Sure, CPR can't go after the guys he went to get at Auburn but that simply means we have to look harder and deeper (haha, that's what she said) at guys who have something we need. What give me faith in that is the seemingly increased talent that we have been able to see and we haven't even seen a lot of these guys yet.

I'm not sure I'd say our talent level has increased much from when he took over, but our depth sure has. And in football that is just as important over 13 weeks.

 

[Psiclone]

You're not missing anything. But be prepared to get reamed nonetheless.

Yup, the same thoughts have popped into the heads of others on this board as well. As for the flamers, I doubt a single one of them would deny that they would also prefer have recruits with higher star ratings and/or multiple BCS offers. It's possible that these recruits are actually better players than ones with higher star rankings and multiple BCS offers. But, the rating system isn't totally flawed and higher rated players more often than not have better careers.