Ok what am i missing with our recruiting?

[Boomer]

Would it make the OP feel better if he knew OU has started talking with the JUCO TE?

Trust your coach, he finds talent sometimes he has to make a reach on a kid but you all got to remember sometimes "major" schools dont offer because of the programs desires (height, HS weight) that doesnt mean a kid is bad player it just means some schools dont see enough upside in the kid for their system

 

[BallSoHard4Cy]

Would it make the OP feel better if he knew OU has started talking with the JUCO TE?

Trust your coach, he finds talent sometimes he has to make a reach on a kid but you all got to remember sometimes "major" schools dont offer because of the programs desires (height, HS weight) that doesnt mean a kid is bad player it just means some schools dont see enough upside in the kid for their system

You know, everyone that comes to this site, that isn't HN, is cool. They don't troll (exception: the one Baylor troll). The OSU guy is cool too.

 

[CYVADER]

Upsets are all well and good, but we still struggled to win 6 games last year, laying huge eggs against UT and MU.

To me, the Rutgers game was much more disappointing than UT or MU. Texas and Mizzou have major talent on their rosters, but Rutgers is very much at our level. And yet they controlled almost every aspect of that game.

seems to me Rutgers has been out recruiting us by a ways for a few years....

 

[cyatheart]

I will evaluate Rhoads recruting after year 5 and 6. Looking at kids when they are juniors in high school is worthless for me since all I can see is their highlight video. After year 5, his first class will be redshirt seniors and his second class will be seniors.

ISU needs to get to the point where we are redshirting pretty much everyone in the incoming class, letting them develope for a year and then having them for 4 more years. That is the way it has to be. And that means stability in coaching. And like PR says, he can't be missing on guys, it isn't the guy you miss, it is the guy you get that eats up a scholarship for 4 years that can't play.

And we can argue about this all we want. It comes down to finding a quarterback that is a freaking stud. ISU was good when we had Sage and Seneca. KU was good with Reesing, they sucked ever since and before. Texas is loaded with 5 start talent and is really average without a good QB. Mizzou was horrible before their recent string of QB success. The list goes on and on over the years. We need the other pieces but the key is finding a great quarterback.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

We need the other pieces but the key is finding a great quarterback.

This is exactly why we are still loading up on QBs.

 

[Cyhart]

I will evaluate Rhoads recruting after year 5 and 6. Looking at kids when they are juniors in high school is worthless for me since all I can see is their highlight video. After year 5, his first class will be redshirt seniors and his second class will be seniors. ISU needs to get to the point where we are redshirting pretty much everyone in the incoming class, letting them develope for a year and then having them for 4 more years. That is the way it has to be. And that means stability in coaching. And like PR says, he can't be missing on guys, it isn't the guy you miss, it is the guy you get that eats up a scholarship for 4 years that can't play. And we can argue about this all we want. It comes down to finding a quarterback that is a freaking stud. ISU was good when we had Sage and Seneca. KU was good with Reesing, they sucked ever since and before. Texas is loaded with 5 start talent and is really average without a good QB. Mizzou was horrible before their recent string of QB success. The list goes on and on over the years. We need the other pieces but the key is finding a great quarterback.

Yes, the QB is incredibly important in college football. Just like the PG is in college hoops. I am hopeful that we have some good QB talent waiting in the wings.

 

[bigsag]

Coach Sturdy has a pretty good track record with QB evaluation and development. If you objectively look at the improvement Washington State was making during his time there as QB coach and Offensive Coordinator, it is actually very impressive. He is the person that came across and evaluated Trevor Hodge, at Citrus Hill high school in Perris, California. Coach Messingham and CPR agreed with his evaluation. It will be interesting to see what this young QB can do.

And your right. The college game revolves around having good QB play. That is why I am excited about ISU's future.

 

[Taco]

I will evaluate Rhoads recruting after year 5 and 6. Looking at kids when they are juniors in high school is worthless for me since all I can see is their highlight video. After year 5, his first class will be redshirt seniors and his second class will be seniors.

ISU needs to get to the point where we are redshirting pretty much everyone in the incoming class, letting them develope for a year and then having them for 4 more years. That is the way it has to be. And that means stability in coaching. And like PR says, he can't be missing on guys, it isn't the guy you miss, it is the guy you get that eats up a scholarship for 4 years that can't play.

And we can argue about this all we want. It comes down to finding a quarterback that is a freaking stud. ISU was good when we had Sage and Seneca. KU was good with Reesing, they sucked ever since and before. Texas is loaded with 5 start talent and is really average without a good QB. Mizzou was horrible before their recent string of QB success. The list goes on and on over the years. We need the other pieces but the key is finding a great quarterback.

Who's going to argue that having a "freaking stud" as a qb wouldn't be nice?

 

[Aclone]

And we can argue about this all we want. It comes down to finding a quarterback that is a freaking stud. ISU was good when we had Sage and Seneca. KU was good with Reesing, they sucked ever since and before. Texas is loaded with 5 start talent and is really average without a good QB. Mizzou was horrible before their recent string of QB success. The list goes on and on over the years. We need the other pieces but the key is finding a great quarterback.

ROTFLMAO!!!! Boy, you won't get a reaction out like that out of ME very often, but you sure scored in a big way! Wooh-hoo!!!! Just so we have this straight...HORSE HOCKEY!

Seriously, what makes you think that we were "good" when Seneca was here? Oh, stop, STOP!--I'm laughing so hard the tears are running down my face! The joy and the utter tragedy of Seneca Wallace is that the moment he arrived on Campus, the offensive line began crumbling before his very eyes! So, despite the beauty, despite the glory, despite the magic of that miracle run...it was only BECAUSE he was spending all of his time running for his life, and whatever he managed, it was in spite of the pass protection and run clearing in front of him!

Oh, holy cow! Thanks for that laugh! And there are people who wonder why Seneca was thought to be great, when his mere stats are so modest...Sigh. :v_SPIN:

 

[D UP Clones]

McCarney won 50% of all games and ~39% of conference games in his last 6 seasons.

Rhoads has won ~49% of all games and 36% of conference games in his first 3 seasons.

If over the next 3 years, Rhoads is still hovering around 49/36, I think it's definitely reasonable to think he would meet the same fate as a previous coach with roughly the same results under the same athletic director.

Uh, who exactly did McCarney beat? He beat Iowa. Otherwise, he beat teams that weren't very good in a divisional set up. Rhoads has beaten just about everybody (except OU) and frankly I think in our old division, ISU would be contending for the title.

He was already beating Nebraska and KState or MU would have still been there. Otherwise, much easier road to championship. This is why ISU should hope for divisions again without OU and Texas on our side of it.

 

[mikem]

McCarney won 50% of all games and ~39% of conference games in his last 6 seasons.

Rhoads has won ~49% of all games and 36% of conference games in his first 3 seasons.

If over the next 3 years, Rhoads is still hovering around 49/36, I think it's definitely reasonable to think he would meet the same fate as a previous coach with roughly the same results under the same athletic director.

Holy omission of facts and context batman...

If you really think that mac the mediocre was not given EVERY chance in the world to succeed, PLUS A MILLION, then your agenda is pretty clear.

Pollard sold over 30K season tickets for people to see his last team roll over and quit on a mediocre coach. He made him leave, with full pay for four years mind you, because people finally had enough of his terrible coaching.

CPR has people hopeful, and has won a historic game each of his three years. Mac was 3 and infinity against teams with winning records.

It's all about cost analysis. Pollard was going to bring chewy back because it made sense financially. mac the mediocre's act was so tired that people KNEW that he was NEVER EVER going to win here. The minute he couldn't sell hope, mac was done.

It will be the same way with any coach here. Fortunately, CPR has built up the good will that mac continually choked away with pathetic recruiting, development, and coaching.

 

[theyork]

Would it make the OP feel better if he knew OU has started talking with the JUCO TE?

Trust your coach, he finds talent sometimes he has to make a reach on a kid but you all got to remember sometimes "major" schools dont offer because of the programs desires (height, HS weight) that doesnt mean a kid is bad player it just means some schools dont see enough upside in the kid for their system

wait...what? why do you come here with such bad news? you..you...crusher of my hopes and dreams!

seriously though stoops is sniffing around our turf? hope he doesn't offer, would be cool to keep our commits

 

[RustShack]

It would be even cooler if other schools offer and he/they stay here.

 

[demoncore1031]

someone said "what good is upsetting the #2 team if if doesnt help with recruiting?" or something along those lines... well, it helped with recruiting last year thats for sure. if i remember correctly, i believe we had 6 prospects at that game, and all 6 are now cyclones!!

 

[mikem]

someone said "what good is upsetting the #2 team if if doesnt help with recruiting?" or something along those lines... well, it helped with recruiting last year thats for sure. if i remember correctly, i believe we had 6 prospects at that game, and all 6 are now cyclones!!

Yeah, I don't get how people think that a 6-6 team, with our "tradition," is all of a sudden going to recruit with teams that have real history on their sides, even with a great win.

I am pretty sure that CPR has a pretty good idea of what is happening on the recruiting trail, and the kids that he feels will make the best additions to the program.

Now, some on here get mad when you say trust the coach, but the simple fact is that their livelihoods depend on how well the recruit and develop talent. CPR, and his coaches make pretty good coin, and all of them except Wally are young enough that they want to have a future in the business. I would hope that they would never say, Goddammit, I want to really suck at my job, so let's recruit nothing but ****** players so I NEVER get another job...

Me thinks that most of this sudden worry is because the hawks have all of those commitments, AND there is a large segment of this fanbase that is ONLY happy when they can complain about something.

 

[demoncore1031]

Yeah, I don't get how people think that a 6-6 team, with our "tradition," is all of a sudden going to recruit with teams that have real history on their sides, even with a great win.

I am pretty sure that CPR has a pretty good idea of what is happening on the recruiting trail, and the kids that he feels will make the best additions to the program.

Now, some on here get mad when you say trust the coach, but the simple fact is that their livelihoods depend on how well the recruit and develop talent. CPR, and his coaches make pretty good coin, and all of them except Wally are young enough that they want to have a future in the business. I would hope that they would never say, Goddammit, I want to really suck at my job, so let's recruit nothing but ****** players so I NEVER get another job...

Me thinks that most of this sudden worry is because the hawks have all of those commitments, AND there is a large segment of this fanbase that is ONLY happy when they can complain about something.

exactly!! i dont even worry or question the recruiting at all. if the coaches offer a kid then they want that kid in the program. who cares how many stars they have or how many other offers they have!! if the coaches think that these under the radar kids are good enough to play big 12 football then thats good enough for me.

 

[mikem]

exactly!! i dont even worry or question the recruiting at all. if the coaches offer a kid then they want that kid in the program. who cares how many stars they have or how many other offers they have!! if the coaches think that these under the radar kids are good enough to play big 12 football then thats good enough for me.

For where we are right now, that is absolutely the correct way to approach it.

Hopefully, as the program evolves, and improves, we can raise our image, and get some of these kids that have all of these stars next to their names.

But for right now as this program is being built from the crater of 2006, we have to do the best possible job of evaluation guys that aren't well known, getting them here, and developing them into effective players.

It isn't glamorous, it isn't headline grabbing, and so the internet guy can't go to miller or rivals sites and brag about recruiting. So far this year, the hawks are having a decent start to their 2013 class, lots of commits, we'll see how many end up signing in February.

They come running over here as either legit hawks, or dressed as Cyclone fans to make people think they are actually "objective," but really just want to talk ****.

I am sure you can figure out who they are.

 

[Frak]

ROTFLMAO!!!! Boy, you won't get a reaction out like that out of ME very often, but you sure scored in a big way! Wooh-hoo!!!! Just so we have this straight...HORSE HOCKEY!

Seriously, what makes you think that we were "good" when Seneca was here? Oh, stop, STOP!--I'm laughing so hard the tears are running down my face! The joy and the utter tragedy of Seneca Wallace is that the moment he arrived on Campus, the offensive line began crumbling before his very eyes! So, despite the beauty, despite the glory, despite the magic of that miracle run...it was only BECAUSE he was spending all of his time running for his life, and whatever he managed, it was in spite of the pass protection and run clearing in front of him!

Oh, holy cow! Thanks for that laugh! And there are people who wonder why Seneca was thought to be great, when his mere stats are so modest...Sigh. :v_SPIN:

OK, I will agree that those teams weren't all that good. BUT, I think that a lot of their success was directly due to QB play (Seneca especially). If you compare Sage and Seneca's teams to today's, the current team is better in just about every area other than QB. There are exceptions, but the overall team talent level is miles ahead of where it was back in 1999-2002. You put Seneca on last year's team and they go 8-4 minimum. That's why finding a dynamic QB is so important. ISU is not going to out-talent most teams on their schedule. But a great QB levels the playing field. Just ask KU with Reesing.

 

[Frak]

And he does get someof those guys. a couple years ago it was Devondrick Nealy, last year Damien Lawry came in with a laundry list of offers. Rhoads will get some guys with fine offer sheets. Just maybe not this early.

As I see it, the biggest issue is getting recruits to visit. That's where ISU can really sell itself. And, FL/TX/CA recruits aren't all that likely to visit Ames on their own dime. The big name recruits are going to visit places that they can drive to and if they do foot the bill for airfare, it's going to be to a school with tradition like tOSU, Michigan, etc. Before ISU even gets in a battle for a 4 star, they're going to have to wait until official visits start in the fall.

 

[mattyice]

Yeah, I don't get how people think that a 6-6 team, with our "tradition," is all of a sudden going to recruit with teams that have real history on their sides, even with a great win.

I am pretty sure that CPR has a pretty good idea of what is happening on the recruiting trail, and the kids that he feels will make the best additions to the program.

Now, some on here get mad when you say trust the coach, but the simple fact is that their livelihoods depend on how well the recruit and develop talent. CPR, and his coaches make pretty good coin, and all of them except Wally are young enough that they want to have a future in the business. I would hope that they would never say, Goddammit, I want to really suck at my job, so let's recruit nothing but ****** players so I NEVER get another job...

Me thinks that most of this sudden worry is because the hawks have all of those commitments, AND there is a large segment of this fanbase that is ONLY happy when they can complain about something.

Not at all......i wasnt bashing the coaching staff or blatantly questioning them......my starting the thread was just curiosity if there was something im missing in this process that i was either ignorant on or just overlooked. I mean hey..we're not all recruiting guys....so i honestly just wanted info on it.

Maybe the bigger signees sign later.....maybe this is perfectly normal.....maybe the talent is better than what it appears......thats all. And a lot of people had the same concern...and many posted thoughtful, factual content answering it respectfully to the coaches, and to those who had the same question on the board.

And some were....well....how they are anytime you dare have the audacity to question any facet of ISU football. Thus...the birth of the Sunshine and Rainbows Jihad.