Ok what am i missing with our recruiting?
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Free schooling to iowa, or free schooling to texas(where most these kids are from), florida, or southern cal? The only way to get these recruits is to over a long period of time become dominate and have a rich tradition. like michigan, notre dame, nebraska, etc...
And he does get someof those guys. a couple years ago it was Devondrick Nealy, last year Damien Lawry came in with a laundry list of offers. Rhoads will get some guys with fine offer sheets. Just maybe not this early.
See im not sure i can subscribe to that thinking......
Boise State seems to have no problem suddenly...and i wouldnt call them rich in tradition. Utah has had some good teams, im sure i can list a dozen schools in crappier locations ...Kansas for example.....that have produced.
I'm not trying to zing you, dude. But if you think you bring anything more to this BOARD than anyone else...you are delusional. Case in point: this thread that YOU started.
And what exactly qualifies you to judge any of the current commits as "mediocre"?
Try to answer without calling me names.
We might not have a lot of superstar talent, but I think our starters as a group are better than the starters before CPR. Also, that solid depth has a couple extra years to develop and will be that much better when they are tabbed to start.
Mac was always hit or miss. He had some good starters with walk-on level depth behind them. Then he would have to scramble to find a starter when someone decent graduated.
Chizik took risks during his short tenure. He brought in some very good starters and he also missed on a few guys that never showed up or never did anything here. He was scrambling to try and fill up DMacs bare cupboard.
CPR has filled immediate holes and is building quality depth at most positions. That will go a long way. You don't necessarily have to bring in a bunch of 4 star kids if you can give yourself time to develop 3 stars who have a few extra years to develop because of depth.
I didnt say i did...in fact i clearly said i was curious as im not a recruiting expert. Most people on earth start a thread asking a question bc they want more information on something...which i respectfully i think did....MOST people responded with outstanding info, and private messages...which is good enough for me.....velo and yourself?..im not sure why you came in the thread at all to be honest...not bashing but neither of you really had much to offer.
I would say its fair to judge a kid RIGHT NOW by what his other offers were and by a respected recruiting website says about a kid....i dont think thats out of line at all. I mean if you want to judge them all as great because the messiah CPR recruited them, and he can do no wrong in your eyes....thats ok too. We just dont all operate that way.
I stay reasonably sane by remembering that CPR and his staff have forgotten more about football, recruiting and potential than I will ever know. They had their own good reasons to offer who they did when they did. I believe we will look back in a couple of years and realize that some more dominoes were falling right now.
And, yes, I also like Sunshine and Rainbows.
And, yes, I also like Sunshine and Rainbows.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Across the Dline I would take any of those guys over what we had. I would probably take everyone in the secondary minus a CB and put Leonard there. I would take all of our LBers and yes I would take George over Smith. I don't know on Arnaud. He was dealt a really tough hand. I would take Shontrelle over Arob. I think the young receivers are very promising. Talent wise I think they will be much better and that is certainly a place where we have seen other BCS offers.
More than anything I guess I'm saying the juries out. You don't know what a guy is until he is done here most of the time. Depth-wise, I agree. That depth also breeds competition. Competition improves players. I don't really know what I'm arguing anymore. Hell, I don't know if I am arguing anymore.
Boise State has the luxery of playing cupcakes all season and being the medias baby for the past 5 years., and i would say even a blind squirell finds an acorn with regards to the other teams. I jsut think that to continually get people to ames, we need some winning seasons, or a more sustained traddition. I think CPR is building a great name for himself, but he is the 3rd coach in what, 6 years at ISU? Another huge problem is we dont even have as big a following in our own state as that tavern school down the road, however, things are looking brighter.
I don't even know if partial qualifiers exist in D-1 at all. I thought that was done in about 2002. I am almost certain BSU hasn't allowed them since 02.
Fit has to be just as important as talent with the type of guys that we recruit. We have to play as a team every night to win and can't rely on one or two guys to take control of the game. We don't have that type of talent.
Take Jacob Homa for example. This is the exact type of guy that Bleil wants on his line. Tall, not fat, and mobile. He grows up in B1G territory. He's most likely not going to get an early offer from Wiscy because he's not 6'8" 300lbs. Most of the B1G will go for larger linemen first since most of them run pro style systems and want road graters. We step in and say you are exactly the type of guy we are looking for and he pulls the trigger.
Tyler Brown is another example. Rhoads wants guys who can make people miss and doesn't necessarily care about top speed/size. Watch is highlight video. He's not the biggest, fastest guy, but he makes people miss. Most schools want guys with his skills that are 6' 0" or greater. He may not have all of the intangibles, but he fits what Rhoads is looking for.
Take Jacob Homa for example. This is the exact type of guy that Bleil wants on his line. Tall, not fat, and mobile. He grows up in B1G territory. He's most likely not going to get an early offer from Wiscy because he's not 6'8" 300lbs. Most of the B1G will go for larger linemen first since most of them run pro style systems and want road graters. We step in and say you are exactly the type of guy we are looking for and he pulls the trigger.
Tyler Brown is another example. Rhoads wants guys who can make people miss and doesn't necessarily care about top speed/size. Watch is highlight video. He's not the biggest, fastest guy, but he makes people miss. Most schools want guys with his skills that are 6' 0" or greater. He may not have all of the intangibles, but he fits what Rhoads is looking for.
That's a really good question. So, you are currently missing the following things:
1. A brain
2. Any inkling of historical perspective
3. Common sense
4. A sense of reality
5. Your medication
1. A brain
2. Any inkling of historical perspective
3. Common sense
4. A sense of reality
5. Your medication
Right..but the point is...we could probably come up with...i dunno...10 schools that have had exceptional seasons that are in terrible locations or have no football history at all.
It was some time ago...but Tulane went undefeated...like i said Kansas was really good few years back...just not sure i can buy that line of thinking.
The fact is that in our footall recruiting, we are not doing as bad as rankings make us look. When looking at highlight videos of each recruit, rather than seeing a no star athlete, I see guys who have been overlooked by a lot of schools, and guys that will be valuable players for us in 3 or 4 years.
Yeah, sometimes all the peices come together. Rhoads hasnt even had a recruiting class make it to graduation yet, so we will see.
Boise State and Utah built up their programs while having the opportunity to beat the ever living CRAP out of Utah State, Wyoming, New Mexico, New Mexico State, Idaho and the rest of the WAC/MWC conferences. If BSU or Utah were in a BCS conference during this build up there is no way in hell they would have gotten nearly as good, nearly as fast.
BSU had the bonus of being able to bring in partial qualifiers. Guys who were talented enough to play in the PAC10, but didn't have the test scores to qualify. They could also beat up on lower level competition with 3 star talent for a while during that build up.
Utah had Urban FREAKIN Meyer as a head coach. I think we can agree that he was pretty good. He did well with average talent in a below average conference and built up to get better recruits during his best years. He then passed the school on to a very good coach in Whittinham who kept momentum going for a while.
Kansas was aweful for a long time. They were one of the teams that ISU could beat consistently for a while. They got themselves a very good (and very fat) coach and went about the process of building a team. It didn't happen quickly. They built up slowly getting better recruits every year. Not until they had a few good years did they get much better recruits. Their BCS year was a perfect storm for them. They had some of their best talent on both sides of the ball at the same time and dodged both Texas and OU in the same year. Heck, ISU should have done similarly in 2005 if Mac could have recruited a decent backup RB instead of Coleman and enough depth to maintain/get leads in other close losses.
Building a football program from the ground up is a long tough process. Doing it in Ames, Iowa is even harder. Don't kid yourself. We have a pathetically small amount of talent in state and in the surrounding area. We are forced to hit TX, CA, and FL hard. It is very tough to convince kids from those states to come way North to Iowa where it is cold and their family will rarely get to come to games. We end up losing those guys to similar or slightly less prestigious in state schools.
Point being, BSU and Utah were not in the same boat as ISU is in. We play a BCS schedule every year. Kansas is a much more similar situuation and they took a while to do it and had the benefit of the Big12 North being down and not having to play all of the South teams every year.
Right now ISU plays all 9 Big12 teams and Iowa every year. That is a ridiculously tough schedule. Compare that to what BSU, Utah, and KU played during their build up and you will easily figure out that it's not the same ballgame.
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