***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***
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no way this happens ever... why would 4 teams ever leave and risk losing everything or better yet why would a conference take a team with no value. And show me where it says a GOR could EVER be dissolved. The conference owns the rights as long as the confrence has members which they would they would still own these 10 teams media rights. If 4 or 5 teams left which they would just add new members nor would others take them wiith no value but if they did for some amazingly unconcievable reason even then the remaining 5 or 6 would be loaded for 10 years looking for a few friends to share there loot with...this wouldand not cause ahe chain reaction and soa what if it did. ISU ksu baylor then could invite some big east12 folks and woulda be thein richest 10 schoolsthe for the next 10 years..of course none of this would EVER happen. Big 12 isnt going anywhere. We are stable. If we expand it should only be to increase our value, our brand and our chance of winning chapionships. The case can be made for all the but the stability argument just doesn't add up.
With expansion I dont think its about time as much it's about other ACC schools want to see what happens with Maryland. I agree it will happen at some point, If you mean expansion won't happen the rest of this calendar year then yea maybe but if you dont think anymore expansion for a whole 12 to 24 months...I doubt it...HIGHLY
With these WVU guys and expansion...I don't think they are just making this stuff up completely. I think they may know someone that knows someone that knows someone or something like that. I think they hear something that MAY happen, want it to happen so much and be the first to "call" it, they sell it like its a fact. They were so sure that expansion was going to happen this past week, you would have thought they were sitting at the negotiating table. I never really put a ton of trust in them but I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't watching like a ....eagle (I know I'm corny, but I wont say that other bird). Either way I wont put any weight in what they have to say anymore, entrainment is exactly what it is!
Can you show me where it says the Big 12 GOR can't be dissolved. Have you read the Big 12 GOR? Is the GOR available somewhere where we can read it? The last time I checked the Big 12 handbook, it had not been updated with the GOR.
If you have read the GOR, what kind of language and provisions does it contain that would prevent it from being dissolved?
If you haven't read it, why are you so sure it can't be dissolved?
Close this thread and hundreds of others down as no contentions can be made without first seeing all relevant contracts.
Well if that ever does happen, it will set precedent and make every other conference's GOR useless as well. By then it might be too late for a school like ISU though.
Any state willing to fight it would have to have a home for both (or more) of their schools.
The Grant of Rights is a lot different than a punitive $XX million dollar exit fee. It is property rights, and unless they are wanting to build a highway through your backyard the courts generally don't screw around with property rights.
14 is such a terrible scheduling number that I don't believe any school does it unless they have every intention on getting to 16. 16 is also the last manageable number for scheduling unless the intention is more or less a conference split. I think conferences are holding at 14 because they know all the dominoes fall once one league goes to 16--they will have no more available slots to hold for those dreaming of a potential bid.
Both the Big Ten and SEC will probably sit at 14, as unworkable as it is, until they know they have secured the parties they want. The Big 12 is not in a position to do anything, as long as teams we would like to bring in have the option of going to either other conference for the extra cash or the desired proximity they would provide.
I think the ACC hangs on by the skin of its teeth until two of the true football schools move elsewhere, then Katy bar the door. I assume B1G will be the one to do it, they have always been the aggressor in this process. But I worry that their true choice is ND, and they are likely to be the last domino, not the first.
So we are stuck. Much as I hoped this stuff would wrap up over this off season, we might be dealing with it for a couple years like this. That said, once I click the "post" button, it is just as likely to occur in the next 48 hours. So there you have it.
I should see if I can get some good lawyers to try and wiggle me out of my mortgage. After all, something signed for 13+ years may not stand up in court.
I don't think until Maryland suit is delt with will anyone move. both the sec and big 10 have said 14 is a scheduling nightmare. That said i wouldn't be shocked if the first move would be the B12 getting to 12 if Maryland doesn't have to pay to full 50 million. After that it will be interesting as if the SEC hold to form and doesn't take a team from a state that already has one that likely puts them looking at NCST and VT. The B1G wants AAU schools that has them looking at UVA, UNC and GT.
I think we are in a holding pattern and may be for a year or so. If it happens, it will be when nobody is watching.... Like the Maryland and Rutgers deal.
I think that whoever makes the first move if thats B1G,SEC Big12 or Pac 12 it will be a move that people may have seen but the timing will be surprising
This would belong in a "****OFFICIAL BIG12 DISSOLUTION THREAD****". Not relevant here.
And if acc falls the big 12 is next in 12 years, 3 super conferences of 20 teams.
So could just stop paying my mortgage (since it's for more than 13 years) since it would never stand up in court.
How the hell would you do the playoffs with only 3 conferences and two divisions of 10 teams each? That makes 6 teams. Would there be "wildcards" to bring it to 8? Would 2 teams get a "bye" and the other 4 have a play in game?
Seems messier with this model than the 4x16.
Seems messier with this model than the 4x16.
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