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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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snowcraig2.0 said:
It hasn't, and the B1G and the PAC won't want to try to break ours, as it would weaken themselves. Unless UVA and UNC have a change of heart, nothing is happening for 13 more years.
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Should be at least 10-11 years of relative peace for the B12. Or at least chaos on our terms. When we have 2-3 years left, it might be more tempting for a conference to poach a team. Any more than that, and I can't see it... $30mil/year x 4 years = too expensive to leave.
 
cyhiphopp said:
Exactly. There is no way that FSU joining the Big12 adds zero value to the TV contract.
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To everyone saying FSU adds value, Neinas doesn't know what he's talking about, etc. :

There is a difference between ADDING value -- read more money per school -- and just increasing the contract amount -- read same money for each school, but now more schools.

I have no doubt that our television partners would cover FSU to join the conference without the other members taking a hit. I'm not so convinced that each school will get more money just because FSU joins. Some will say a conference championship game assures that, but maybe the conference championship is what assures each school is paid the same.

None of us know for sure. Time will tell.
 
aeroclone said:
Okay I'll give you fine, but significantly better than they would be if they were still in the Big 12? I don't think so.
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No way they are 10-2 in the Big 12 this year or playing for the chance to be in a BCS bowl game, and they are making more money. Not sure how it was a bad move for them?
 
im4cyclones said:
Should be at least 10-11 years of relative peace for the B12. Or at least chaos on our terms. When we have 2-3 years left, it might be more tempting for a conference to poach a team. Any more than that, and I can't see it... $30mil/year x 4 years = too expensive to leave.
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Guessing the GOR would be re extended at the halfway point.
 
aeroclone said:
Why would anyone want to leave the Big 12 for the B1G at this point? I wouldn't really say that it has improved life for Nebraska. As a matter of fact, with the exception of aTm, all of the Big 12 defectors seem to be having a tough time in their new surroundings.
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I could understand kansas. They don't care if the football sucks there (and basketball isnt bad in the big 10, theyd still get paid plenty, academically it would be better than the big 12, etc.

Hell, i could even understand it if we made the jump (not that it has a chance in hell of happening). Geographically it makes a lot of sense, and while the football product would be diminished, it would be awesome to have that many road-trippable games.

That said, they'd have to challenge the GoR in court. Not sure its been attempted before.
 
aeroclone said:
Why would anyone want to leave the Big 12 for the B1G at this point? I wouldn't really say that it has improved life for Nebraska. As a matter of fact, with the exception of aTm, all of the Big 12 defectors seem to be having a tough time in their new surroundings.
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Exactly, who would make the 4 team playoff or even sniff it this season from the Big 10? Nobody. Keep adding crap teams and its going to blow up in your face come playoff time.
 
GOR notwithstanding, the Big 10 offers Kansas a (slightly) better payday, easier geography, and weaker competition.

With the GOR, trying to leave the Big 12 for the Big 10 is insane.

Plus, when you look at how the Big 10 and Pac 12 have GORs, it seems really, really stupid for them to try to break one up. Delaney has proven to be a lot of bad things, but stupid isn't one of them. Furthermore, the large bowl alliances that exist between the Big 10/Pac 12 and Big 12/SEC say a lot to me. Or, I should say the fact that the ACC doesn't have a partner at that dance says more.
 
We will see how the Big 10 reacts when OSU goes 12-0 and doesn't sniff the top 4 since the SOS is so bad. But its about TVs right now and not bet available.
 
acgclone said:
Please show me where contract law has successfully deterred a school from leaving. TIA
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Theres not an example of that, so I cant. Buyouts are part of by-laws, they are not contractual. Grant of rights are agreed to and signed by each school, separate from by-laws.
 
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acgclone said:
Please show me where contract law has successfully deterred a school from leaving. TIA
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It hasn't, but that's always been when buyouts were in place. A Grant of Rights is not a buyout.

A buyout is a penalty for breaching a contract. A Grant of Rights means you sell your property to another entity. Kansas (and the rest of the Big 12) sold their TV rights to the conference for the next 13 year. This means that the Big 12 owns Kansas's TV rights and all the money produced therein. Kansas is free to go at any time, but they will not receive a penny of their TV money for 13 years, unless the Big 12 just agreed to let them have it back.

Imagine if you bought a car, and the owner came back and said "please, give me the car back for free". Are you going to do that?
 
chuckd4735 said:
No way they are 10-2 in the Big 12 this year or playing for the chance to be in a BCS bowl game, and they are making more money. Not sure how it was a bad move for them?
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They are having a solid year this year, but I don't think you can say they are much better off than they would be here. The money gap has been closed significantly. I don't think they are doing much more on the field than they did here, they made plenty of BCS bowls in the Big 12. They lost their traditional rivalries, and time will tell but they still have to prove that the new league footprint won't hurt their recruiting in the long run.

Regardless, my main point is that nobody is leaving the current Big 12 today. And none of the teams that have previously left have hit the jackpot so big as to make a strong case for it.
 
If ku really wants to leave I think the b12 would assign them their tv rights back. We could get bring in a acc team that adds MUCH more value than ku.
 
Incyte said:
If ku really wants to leave I think the b12 would assign them their tv rights back. We could get bring in a acc team that adds MUCH more value than ku.
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Or they bring in an ACC team that adds more value and keep KU's media rights. Why would they release them? In what way does that benefit the conference?
 
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