***Official 2013 Bracketology Thread***
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The Illinois thing is really tough - because they have been better lately, but they stunk it up BIG TIME earlier in the season. Dear Lord, they lost 6 out of 7 games in a row at one point, and 7 out of 9 to start big 10 play. (some of that was the same stretch). Even in the Big 10 that doesn't sound like a very good team.
I read somewhere but can't recall where that since 1995 97% of Major conference teams that had an RPI better then 60 made the NCAA Tournament field. Even if ISU loses and falls to 56 in the RPI their chances of making the field are still excellent.
Team A and Team B split during the regular season head to head. Team A and Team B both beat the same top 10 team for their best win of the season.
Which team is better?
Illinois
RPI: 42
SOS: 8
Opponent SOS: 19
Non-con SOS: 30
Non-con RPI: 11
vs. RPI top 25: 5-5
Oklahoma
RPI: 35
SOS: 17
Opponent SOS: 45
Non-con SOS: 16
Non-con RPI: 53
vs. RPI top 25: 2-5
So... Illinois is ranked 9 spots higher in SOS, Their opponents SOS is ranked 26 spots higher, their non-con RPI is ranked 42 spots higher, and they have 3 more RPI top 25 wins then OU.
In simple terms... Illinois played a tougher schedule then OU, Illinois' opponents played tougher schedules then OU's opponents played, and Illinois won more games against tougher competition then OU did.
Illinois had bigger wins as well beating 5 teams with an RPI of 23 or better. OU had only 1 win against teams with an RPI of 23 or better.
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Fair enough. For OU and Illinois, Lunardi's bracket and your anlysis would be very similar to the power rating below...
RealTimeRPI.com Men's College Basketball Power Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet - College Football Ratings
This site also has OU as a 9-seed and Illinois as a 10 seed in their bracketology...
RealTimeRPI.com Bracketology - Basketball tournament bracket: 's College Basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet
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I see the point you are making but what does opponent's strength of schedule really have to do with anything? That tells you nothing about the quality of the team itself more so who they play. For example why would Iowa's SOS affect ISU's dance chances? Doesn't make sense to me
Well, some silly ranking systems (RPI) do use records of opponents of opponents to make up 25% of the rating...
"All resume rating systems are flawed, let's use the worst system to determine SOS/good wins/bad losses." - The NCAA selection committee (at least that's how I hear every time they defend the RPI against other, better systems).
Seems like a harsh drop given that OU has a better RPI. Much larger jump down than our jump up for beating OSU
And that is why we need to beat OU. We do not want to play an extra play in game.
I like the new BPI ratings. While its still a computer system with flaws, I feel its a much better indicator of how good teams actually are. It just doesn't seem right that for a system (RPI) to value a 40 pt loss the exact same as a banked in 3 pointer to win the game.
Gonzaga's players are just so much better than Saint Mary's. This is slowly becoming a beat down.
Tomorrow is even more boring than today. No games effecting the bubble, but 3 more auto bids will be given out.
Horizon Championship
Valpo vs Wright State - No chance of at-large, so whatever.
Northeast Championship
LIU Brooklyn vs Mount St. Mary's - No chance of at-large, so whatever.
Summit Championship
South Dakota State vs North Dakota State - No chance of at-large, so whatever.
Horizon Championship
Valpo vs Wright State - No chance of at-large, so whatever.
Northeast Championship
LIU Brooklyn vs Mount St. Mary's - No chance of at-large, so whatever.
Summit Championship
South Dakota State vs North Dakota State - No chance of at-large, so whatever.
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