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Yes, at 2-6 we are right where many expected us to be. That is the issue. We were expected to be bad for the second year in a row, and that sentiment has proven to be true.

When healthy I actually thought we were a little better than forecasted, but not good enough to suggest sustainable fundamental changes were underway.
 
Many will go into next season thinking we will be 4-8. After that happens I guess we can be satisfied about next year because that's what we thought would happen.
 
awd4cy said:
Many will go into next season thinking we will be 4-8. After that happens I guess we can be satisfied about next year because that's what we thought would happen.
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It seems like some would like to condition the fan base into being satisfied with 3-5 win seasons, and I hope the majority of fans don't buy into that attitude. Fred took the basketball program from the graveyard to competing with the Big 12's best in a few years, so excellence should be our goal in all sports. Everbody knows football takes longer, and nobody expects us to achieve what our hometown hero has done so quickly in basketball. But if he can recruit such good basketball talent to Ames, why not in football? We've got a great fan base and great facilities, and we should at least expect lower tier bowl games in most years with an occasional 8-9 win season. K-State has easily exceeded that.
 
When we win I'm happy. When we lose I'm not. It's literally not any more complicated than that.
 
awd4cy said:
Many will go into next season thinking we will be 4-8. After that happens I guess we can be satisfied about next year because that's what we thought would happen.
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I haven't actually counted or looked at the poll lately but it seems to me, if I am remembering correctly, that most of the so called CPR apologists (nice cliche) are saying bowl or bust next season. So this idea that people will be satisfied with 4-8 just points to more of the fabricated, drama infused, non-sense that you choose spew.
 
FanatiClone said:
I haven't actually counted or looked at the poll lately but it seems to me, if I am remembering correctly, that most of the so called CPR apologists (nice cliche) are saying bowl or bust next season. So this idea that people will be satisfied with 4-8 just points to more of the fabricated, drama infused, non-sense that you choose spew.
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There are a good chunk of people that think that Rhoads should be here no matter what after next year. Think I'm spewing crap? Go look in that Should Rhoads be fired thread. Those people have been plenty vocal throughout this board.
 
awd4cy said:
There are a good chunk of people that think that Rhoads should be here no matter what after next year. Think I'm spewing crap? Go look in that Should Rhoads be fired thread. Those people have been plenty vocal throughout this board.
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That's strange awd, because the poll reveals that over half of the peops who voted say that next year is a make or break year. I've read a few that think Rhoads' job should be safe indefinitely, but not many.
 
CYKOFAN said:
It seems like some would like to condition the fan base into being satisfied with 3-5 win seasons, and I hope the majority of fans don't buy into that attitude. Fred took the basketball program from the graveyard to competing with the Big 12's best in a few years, so excellence should be our goal in all sports. Everbody knows football takes longer, and nobody expects us to achieve what our hometown hero has done so quickly in basketball. But if he can recruit such good basketball talent to Ames, why not in football? We've got a great fan base and great facilities, and we should at least expect lower tier bowl games in most years with an occasional 8-9 win season. K-State has easily exceeded that.
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You're f'ing ***arded if you don't realize how basketball recruiting is different than football and why the two are completely polarly opposite levels of different. Seriously, you're so completely stupid you should just stop posting if you think that it's just a matter of pulling in a few good recruits.

First, roster size: There's 124 players listed on the football roster. That means that every Texas, Oklahoma, etc. can pull 125 of the top players off the table just by being Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

In basketball, there's 15. That spreads high level talent a helluva lot farther than the top few dozen teams.

Second, the game: In basketball, one player can almost carry a team (Dougie Fresh, anyone?). In football, one weak position can hide a whole ton of talent.

Finally: Just stop with the comments of 'satisfied with 3-5 wins'. NO ONE has said in this thread that they're satisfied with 3-5 wins, but some of us aren't stupid enough to expect more when the pieces aren't in place. Basketball can be changed overnight, football is building a lot larger sized organization. Can it be done in a few years? Yes, but it can't be done in a few years when we had 2 **** years of recruiting due to reorganization rumors, and a few **** years of one bad OC hire.

Am I defending CPR? No, this year has been frustrating as heck. But I don't feel like I have to flip my lid and freak out over it. I don't judge my fandom by how many veins pop out on my forehead.
 
What bums me out is we HAD KSU and UT...had we got NDSU like we should of, solid chance of 6-7 wins.

But, that's why every play matters.
 
I would call 4-8 a success. That's about on par with our win percentage over the last 15 years. Considering how poorly we recruit, I guess I'm resigned to the fact that it is what it is.
 
FanatiClone said:
That's strange awd, because the poll reveals that over half of the peops who voted say that next year is a make or break year. I've read a few that think Rhoads' job should be safe indefinitely, but not many.
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Facts have no place in this argument. Most of us accept that next year has to be the year we get back to post season play.

But when you are blinded enough that you actually root for the team to lose, perspective was lost a long time ago
 
00clone said:
You're f'ing ***arded if you don't realize how basketball recruiting is different than football and why the two are completely polarly opposite levels of different. Seriously, you're so completely stupid you should just stop posting if you think that it's just a matter of pulling in a few good recruits.

First, roster size: There's 124 players listed on the football roster. That means that every Texas, Oklahoma, etc. can pull 125 of the top players off the table just by being Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

In basketball, there's 15. That spreads high level talent a helluva lot farther than the top few dozen teams.

Second, the game: In basketball, one player can almost carry a team (Dougie Fresh, anyone?). In football, one weak position can hide a whole ton of talent.

Finally: Just stop with the comments of 'satisfied with 3-5 wins'. NO ONE has said in this thread that they're satisfied with 3-5 wins, but some of us aren't stupid enough to expect more when the pieces aren't in place. Basketball can be changed overnight, football is building a lot larger sized organization. Can it be done in a few years? Yes, but it can't be done in a few years when we had 2 **** years of recruiting due to reorganization rumors, and a few **** years of one bad OC hire.

Am I defending CPR? No, this year has been frustrating as heck. But I don't feel like I have to flip my lid and freak out over it. I don't judge my fandom by how many veins pop out on my forehead.
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Killed it. You win the internet
 
cyclones12321 said:
Just my opinion but it almost appeared we lost the game vs Oklahoma before the game even began
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I agree with this 100%. It felt like the players and coaches were scared of the team lined up on the other side. Felt the same way with Baylor as well.
 
FanatiClone said:
That's strange awd, because the poll reveals that over half of the peops who voted say that next year is a make or break year. I've read a few that think Rhoads' job should be safe indefinitely, but not many.
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I'm sorry, 23% of the people is not a good chunk? That 23% is very vocal on this board. Just as vocal as the people that want him gone.
 
cylove said:
Facts have no place in this argument. Most of us accept that next year has to be the year we get back to post season play.

But when you are blinded enough that you actually root for the team to lose, perspective was lost a long time ago
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Link?
 
awd4cy said:
I'm sorry, 23% of the people is not a good chunk? That 23% is very vocal on this board. Just as vocal as the people that want him gone.
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I disagree. Just look at how many threads on here are all about how quickly we should be canning Rhoads, who we should be targeting, etc. Those who want the coach immediately fired are clearly more vocal than people saying keep Rhoads indefinitely and it is not even close.
 
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