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ISU beats KU and TTU and falls to TCU and WVU. That puts the boys at 4-8 on the season. Looking back at what you knew about this team before the season started would you have considered that a success? a push? or a disappointment?

I'm curious how everyone feels. In all honesty, I was expecting that with all we lost on the defensive side of things, that ISU would be in between a 3-9 finish and a 5-7 finish. Anything more would be gravy, anything less would be bad.
 
Disappointment.

Not insurmountably difficult to get six wins with this schedule.
 
To quote John McEnroe: "You can't be serious!"

4-8 is terrible, period. It's a failure, period. It's a bad losing season, period. There are no layers to the subject. It's an absolute, total failure. Every year, every time.


ISU beats KU and TTU and falls to TCU and WVU. That puts the boys at 4-8 on the season. Looking back at what you knew about this team before the season started would you have considered that a success? a push? or a disappointment?

I'm curious how everyone feels. In all honesty, I was expecting that with all we lost on the defensive side of things, that ISU would be in between a 3-9 finish and a 5-7 finish. Anything more would be gravy, anything less would be bad.
 
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A disappointment.
I pegged this team for 5-6 wins and if this team closed out wins on KSU and UT, I think the angry mob wouldn't be as angry.
 
There's two games I'm really disappointed in. NDSU and OU. Everything else is about what I expected unfortunately.

I'd add Oklahoma State into that mix. Not necessarily for the outcome, just for the way the team got pummeled by what is now a demonstrably bad team.
 
4 wins is terrible, absolutely terrible. However, it's what I expected going into the year.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm not surprised we are terrible.
 
Slight disappointment. Because there have been too many times this season this team had a winnable game or at least a game they could have been more competitive in and have been flat.
 
You could tell at the time watching Oklahoma State that they were not a very good team. I remember being slammed for being so disappointed after that beat down and everyone kept pointing to the fact that OSU was a ranked team. OSU, Texas, NDSU, KSU week 2, were all winnable for us.
 
Coming into the season, a Push to slight disappointment given the offseason issues on DL. I agree with Norcal though, OK State is a bad team. I didn't expect us to beat K State, but thought we had a chance to beat them early in the year, and we had them by the Nuts and let them off the hook when we couldn't convert a 3rd & 1.

Expected to beat NDSU, expected a loss at Iowa (with our DL issues on the road). Was expecting an upset of K State, Texas or OK State. LB's turned out to be LOT worse than I thought. Expected better fundamentals and not MLB's running backward away from contact to make a tackle or at least be in the right gap more times than not. The season is not over, but I just hope yesterday's performance motivates the players-pisses them off and challenges their Pride- and not sink them. I want to see some LB's HIT somebody moving forward on the snap of the ball. Man up. When your SS and FS are your top hitters/tacklers, you are in trouble. See Dole/Baker days.
 
A win against Texas Tech would be a step in the right direction just because we'd finally win a game on our own field.
 
If you can get a yard to get a first down on multiple occaisions....you beat Kansas State. How many freaking times has that happened in CPR tenure? We fail to get a first down and then the other team gets the ball and--just like the solar cycle or the rotating heavens--goes whatever distance they neeed to withou our "bend but don't win" defense. My memory may be off, but we had two chances in both KSU and Tex. games to get a 1st down with less than two yards to ICE the game and failed.
Original question: 4-8 is a failure....but do you seriously think we can beat West Virginia now?
 
If you can get a yard to get a first down on multiple occaisions....you beat Kansas State. How many freaking times has that happened in CPR tenure? We fail to get a first down and then the other team gets the ball and--just like the solar cycle or the rotating heavens--goes whatever distance they neeed to withou our "bend but don't win" defense. My memory may be off, but we had two chances in both KSU and Tex. games to get a 1st down with less than two yards to ICE the game and failed.
Original question: 4-8 is a failure....but do you seriously think we can beat West Virginia now?

Yep. That's how it works if you don't get a first down.
 
If you can get a yard to get a first down on multiple occaisions....you beat Kansas State. How many freaking times has that happened in CPR tenure? We fail to get a first down and then the other team gets the ball and--just like the solar cycle or the rotating heavens--goes whatever distance they neeed to withou our "bend but don't win" defense. My memory may be off, but we had two chances in both KSU and Tex. games to get a 1st down with less than two yards to ICE the game and failed.
Original question: 4-8 is a failure....but do you seriously think we can beat West Virginia now?

WV will kill us. Their undersized Defense actually plays with passion (see what they did vs. OU in a close loss) and likes to Hit and their D backs are quick. I don't see us getting much separation in our passing game and we all know we cannot open holes to run the ball, so, no. Best chance at 4 is next two games.
 
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We should NEVER be satisfied with a 4-8 year, however, that is exactly the record I predicted we'd have when the season started.

The question is.... is 4-8 good enough to keep the head coach around or not?

I'm almost to the point where I think for next year we need to let Wally and McKnight go and see what we can do with a new DC and a new weight training guy. We just don't have the financial ability to let everyone go and hire all new coaches IMO.

My biggest problem with this program I think right now is how we are physically getting manhandled on both sides of the line of scrimmage. You kind of expect that against OU, not to the extent we saw yesterday where they are gaining 10-15 yds before even being touched, but you do NOT expect to see us get physically manhandled by teams like UNI and NDSU. That is completely unacceptable at the Big 12 level.

So how does someone like McKnight justify our OL and DL getting pushed around by FCS teams?

And after yesterday, I'm just not sure how you can bring back Wally? Yes we didn't have the size or talent to compete with OU, but it was really disconcerting to see our guys so out of position, taking horrible angles, and not even tackling properly. That is on coaching.

But as someone else mentioned, we're playing Myers at DT when he's a DE, and guys like Knott and Brackens are the size of safeties not LBs. We do not have Big 12 size players at most positions. Just the idea that we're trying to turn Justin Madison, who was under 200 lbs a year ago, into a DE is the kind of thing that will always plague us IMO. He's up to like 220 lbs now or something, so he's still got about 30-40 lbs more to put on to compete at this level as a DE. But this is the kind of thing we always seem to try to do.

With the talent level and size of the guys we put out there every week, we just cannot compete in this league with anyone other than KU and possibly a couple other bottom dwellers of the Big 12. Sure, we can pull off an upset once every great while, but that's not enough to sustain anything.

With the talent level and size of guys we have, the window for wins every year will be between 2 and 6 IMO. I cannot see us winning more than 6 ever with the guys we currently have and playing in a league this good.

In my 40+ years as a Cyclone fan, I've yet to witness much success at all. Yes, a few good wins, and a very small handful of decent seasons, but that's it. I'm not sure what would make anyone think that all of the sudden ISU is going to turn around decades of bad to average football? We've tried different coaches, we've tried upgrading facilities, we have a state of the art weightroom and indoor practice facility, and so on, and so on.

At some point you just have to kind of face the fact that it might not ever happen here, don't you? We are the northern most school in the conference by far. The conference is mostly made up of teams in Texas and Oklahoma. How do we compete with that year in and year out? It's very tough.
 
If all the games were like the Texas game I would fell better about 4-8 because it might mean we only have to fix one side of the ball but the way things are going it looks like everything is broken. So I am thinking I am going to be uber disappointed and without much optimism next year. Hell, leaning forward a little to think we go 4-8 and not 2-10.

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
 
If all the games were like the Texas game I would fell better about 4-8 because it might mean we only have to fix one side of the ball but the way things are going it looks like everything is broken. So I am thinking I am going to be uber disappointed and without much optimism next year. Hell, leaning forward a little to think we go 4-8 and not 2-10.

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Just remember that Texas is the ONLY team we've played this year that currently has a losing record. So, they are not good at all. That is probably why we competed with them.
 

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