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JohnnyFive said:
Facts about possible expansion candidates:

Memphis
City pop: 653,000, biggest city in TN, third-largest in the Southeastern US
Student pop: 22,000

Cincinnatti
Pop: 235,000
Student pop: 44,000

Central Florida
Pop: 240,000
Student pop: 61,000

South Florida
Pop: 346,000
Student pop: 48,000

BYU
Pop: 526,000
Student pop: 34,000
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A little more information on UCF...

Located in Orlando, which is the number 18 media market in the US. As mentioned above, drew an average of 1.64 million viewers per game in 2013, which would be 40th highest in CFB and 6th highest in the conference (OU #16, OSU #19, UT #26, TTech #36, Baylor #37).

Football stadium opened in 2007 with capacity of 45K and averaged about 35K in 2012 (which is the most recent I could find quickly).
 
JohnnyFive said:
My top 5 picks for expansion, in order:
Clemson
Louisville
Pitt
Memphis
Cincinnatti

My top 5 most realistic picks for expansion, in order:
Memphis
Colorado State
Cincinnatti
Central Florida
South Florida
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How do you not have BYU on that list?

Also, only one 't' in Cincinnati :wink:
 
im4cyclones said:
I found a site with this information for 2013... http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013...ball-tv-ratings-2013-regular-season-final-sec

UCF averaged just over 1.64 MM viewers and was the highest of the non-Power 5 schools, from what I could tell.
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Just to add... UCF played Penn State and South Carolina in 2013 but had 6 games rated, which means they aren't necessarily riding the coat-tails of playing those two big name opponents who brought a lot of their own eyeballs.

Purdue, for example, finished 31st with an average of 2.2 million viewers but only had 4 games rated. Probably gained viewers in those games from playing Ohio State (#4 with 11 rated games), Notre Dame (#9 with 11 rated games), and Michigan State (#11 with 9 rated games).
 
clonedude said:
Never should have gotten WV IMO. Doesn't make any sense to me.

I think we should have gone west instead of east probably. I know there isn't the population out west, but there's just too much competition out east.

If we could drop WV and add BYU, Boise State, and Colorado State.... that wouldn't be so bad. Ideally we could just get the original Big 12 back together.... that was the best. Bring back Nebby, Missouri, and Colorado. That would be ideal, but will never happen.
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Going east wasn't completely without possibilities, but adding such an island as WVa without possibly getting UConn, enticing an ACC team or two or getting tweeners in the Louisville range makes it unrealistic to go west now (UNLESS we can go to 16 teams, which still would require some regional east-coast schools to team w/ West Virginia).

If Big 12 hadn't gone east, I like BYU (which could agree to join if it were done correctly) and New Mexico (I know it's awful football and semi-good basketball, but Albuquerque is untapped market between Phoenix/Tucson and Texas.
 
Just add UNLV and Ucf. Put them in the same division as isu so we get a bowl game a year. Add a cc game and find a way to break even with the other schools. Schedule them home and away
 
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Just so everyone knows, the ACC has the same grant of rights as the Big 12. Stealing one of their teams (Pitt, L'ville, Clemson, FSU, etc.) is pretty much impossible. Our only options are mid-majors now.
 
cyclone87 said:
Due to the expansion options for the Big 12 I think the best option would be to try to get the other power leagues to sign off on letting us have two 5-team divisions with a conference championship game (stay at 10 teams).
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Not a chance the big 10 signs off on that. They went without a championship game for decades because they didn't have the requisite membership.
 
To my knowledge the Southeastern part of the country is also the fastest growing area in the U.S. population wise. It may be a wise move long term to look in the region.
 
Adding only 2 teams might be shooting low, given there are already several 14 team conferences. With WVU in the fold, I propose expanding to the first 16 team super-conference by adding 3 teams in the east, one from the great plains, and 2 in the Southwest. The result would be 4 pods with rotating scheduling alignments.

With pod scheduling for football, you would always play the other 3 in your pod, and rotate through the other pods year to year, with an additional game perhaps based on recent performance. Returning to 8 conference games would give flexibility to schools needing to either strengthen, or lighten their schedules year to year. This would let the powerhouses contend for the CFP, and everybody else get to 6 wins more often than not.

For basketball, you could have home and home within the pod, and year to year against the other 12 for an 18 game schedule. Then you have an awesome 16 team tournament at the end of the year, requiring 4 games for any team to win. Perfect balance.

Olympic sports would vary, but they already do that. Maybe some could benefit from strength in numbers. In any case, beggars aren't choosers.

Here is an example of the a a "Big 12" super-conference alignment:

Eastern Pod:
  • West Virginia
  • Cincinati
  • Connecticut
  • Central Florida
Northern Pod:
  • Iowa State
  • Kansas
  • Kansas State
  • Colorado State
Western Pod:
  • Texas
  • Texas Tech
  • Baylor
  • New Mexico
Southern Pod:
  • Oklahoma
  • Oklahoma State
  • Texas Christian
  • Houston
 
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All this talk about "pods" is pointless until the NCAA changes their rules. Right now to have a championship game you are required to have divisions of at least six, with all division members playing each other.

You've got as much of a chance to get that changed to a pod schedule as you do to have 10-team conferences have a championship game, which is greater than zero but less than probable.

And I loathe the idea of 8-team divisions. It's more like two separate conferences.
 
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cycophagus said:
Adding only 2 teams might be shooting low, given there are already several 14 team conferences. With WVU in the fold, I propose expanding to the first 16 team super-conference by adding 3 teams in the east, one from the great plains, and 2 in the Southwest. The result would be 4 pods with rotating scheduling alignments.

With pod scheduling for football, you would always play the other 3 in your pod, and rotate through the other pods year to year, with an additional game perhaps based on recent performance. Returning to 8 conference games would give flexibility to schools needing to either strengthen, or lighten their schedules year to year. This would let the powerhouses contend for the CFP, and everybody else get to 6 wins more often than not.

For basketball, you could have home and home within the pod, and year to year against the other 12 for an 18 game schedule. Then you have an awesome 16 team tournament at the end of the year, requiring 4 games for any team to win. Perfect balance.

Olympic sports would vary, but they already do that. Maybe some could benefit from strength in numbers. In any case, beggars aren't choosers.

Here is an example of the a a "Big 12" super-conference alignment:

Eastern Pod:
  • West Virginia
  • Cincinati
  • Connecticut
  • Central Florida
Northern Pod:
  • Iowa State
  • Kansas
  • Kansas State
  • Colorado State
Western Pod:
  • Texas
  • Texas Tech
  • Baylor
  • New Mexico
Southern Pod:
  • Oklahoma
  • Oklahoma State
  • Texas Christian
  • Houston
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All these years I thought Oklahoma was north of Texas.

If the major criteria is TV sets we should look at schools in Mexico City and Toronto.
 
The Big 12 probably needs to revisit the conference championship rules after this mess and allow the top 2 teams by record to play in a game after the season on championship weekend. They need to put all the eggs in that basket, because there are no feasible adds that are a net benefit to the league.

If they can't get that, the conference needs to declare one team the champion and let the chips fall where they may, instead of playing chicken with the selection committee like they did this year, in hopes of getting two in to validate their decision four years ago (I think a correct one) to remain a ten team league.

A round robin with a championship game, (with well established tie breakers for years when three or more teams finish with the same record) would fulfill the "one true champion" BS they pumped out all year, and probably guarantee the winner a playoff berth if competitiveness holds in the Big 12.

I think there is only a four year contract for this four team playoff. All signs point to 6 or 8 teams after that point, if analysts can be believed. So it may be moot.
 
tsirnickesqcy said:
Nobody is going to move the needle like BYU would.
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And nobody is going to want special treatment and require a long list of demands be met for the "privilege" of allowing the Big 12 to invite a school to the conference like BYU.

Sorry - I do not like the idea of inviting a school in that thinks it's doing us a favor by joining.
 
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