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Questions I would like to hear answered:

How much money does a football playoff appearance make a conference and is it enough to cancel out the per-team net decrease in revenue that would likely come with Big 12 expansion?

If we don't expand and pursue a title game with 10 teams, how is the regular season schedule structured? I can't imagine you just add a title game on top of the round robin.
 
The big 12 has enough really good fball programs it doesn't need to add strong programs to give Iowa state even more hell. It's only about tv revenue that's it, nothing else. If Memphis and Cincinnati bring in more TV sets then add them. Big 12 will always have elite teams because of tx, ou, Kstate and recently Baylor and TCU. For Iowa st. Sake it would be highly beneficial to add teams like Memphis or Cincinnati. I don't want BYu or Boise st for that matter. We'd never win. Memphis is a fairly decent TV market with Nashville etc.. Cincinnati is too and gets teams into Ohio a great recruiting state.
 
Beyerball said:
The big 12 has enough really good fball programs it doesn't need to add strong programs to give Iowa state even more hell. It's only about tv revenue that's it, nothing else. If Memphis and Cincinnati bring in more TV sets then add them. Big 12 will always have elite teams because of tx, ou, Kstate and recently Baylor and TCU. For Iowa st. Sake it would be highly beneficial to add teams like Memphis or Cincinnati. I don't want BYu or Boise st for that matter. We'd never win. Memphis is a fairly decent TV market with Nashville etc.. Cincinnati is too and gets teams into Ohio a great recruiting state.
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I agree.
 
psychlone99 said:
Questions I would like to hear answered:

How much money does a football playoff appearance make a conference and is it enough to cancel out the per-team net decrease in revenue that would likely come with Big 12 expansion?

If we don't expand and pursue a title game with 10 teams, how is the regular season schedule structured? I can't imagine you just add a title game on top of the round robin.
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Adding two two teams drops per team revenue by about $4 million per team but that doesn't include the new revenue brought in by the two new teams and added TV sets? However, adding a CCG adds usually what $1-$2 mil per school? Plus the each big 12 school is losing about $700,000 for not having a rep in the playoff. So IMO adding two teams is prob a wash but being able to restructure a new TV deal could be better too. It's not like we have to split it 12 ways right away, heck I think Nebraska doesn't get full share for first 4-5 years or so? Same would be for a Memphis or Cinnci.
 
Both new teams would come in with greatly reduced revenue payments, plus with a Memphis, the owner of Fed Ex would sweeten the conference pot even more. A wash at worst, and a huge gain for Iowa State.
 
jdoggivjc said:
While I agree with adding someone near WVU, the idea of them leaving is ludicrous. Where are they going to go? The Big 10, ACC, and SEC don't want them, and the AAC is not better than the Big 12. WVU has made its bed and, excluding extreme circumstances, it's not going to get better for them.
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Well, the ACC has 14. That isn't going to last forever. 14 is too unwieldy.
 
UCF and South Florida...that's the in to Florida recruiting. We aren't getting FSU, Florida, or Miami so these are up and commers. Show some foresight with the largest university in the nation (UCF). I'm still on the wish we would have nabbed Louisville boat too.
 
alarson said:
This is why i'd go with them. Every single year they are adding 2x the new alumni to their potential fanbase than BYU or Memphis.
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Alumni only matter if they give a ****. UCF alumni don't give a ****.
 
psychlone99 said:
Questions I would like to hear answered:

How much money does a football playoff appearance make a conference and is it enough to cancel out the per-team net decrease in revenue that would likely come with Big 12 expansion?

If we don't expand and pursue a title game with 10 teams, how is the regular season schedule structured? I can't imagine you just add a title game on top of the round robin.
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Think outside the box. Leave the last weekend open as a "flex" schedule week. That week arrives, match up the top two conference teams (this year, Baylor and TCU rematch). The teams they were supposed to play take on each other (I know, Iowa State-Kansas State rematch, whoopee). Everybody else plays their regular game.

The conference ought to be able to set up its schedule any damn way it pleases. Of course, they ought to be able to determine their conference champion(s) any damn way they please, too, but the playoff committee doesn't seem to agree.
 
Here we go. Don't expand the Big XII. Expand the playoff.

This is it. I'm all in on an 8-team playoff, right now. Let's make it happen.

Here's the deal:

-Power 5 conference champs are in, automatically. Conferences determine their champion by any method they deem necessary, but they have to identify one and only one champion.

- The other three selections are at-large. The easiest thing is the next three highest-rated teams other than conference champs, with a maximum of two per conference. True, this would mean two SEC teams every year, but don't you figure that's going to happen with any 8-team playoff anyway?

- Quarterfinal games either at the highest-ranked team's field, or at a regional site near that school. Play those games the first or second week of December. I would love to get rid of the conference championship games with this setup, but if the conferences want to keep them, fine.

Let's do this right now. Take the committee out of this sham of picking and choosing between conference champions. Here's what we'd have this year:

Michigan State-Alabama
Mississippi State-Oregon
TCU-Florida State
Baylor-Ohio State

I'd watch that in a heartbeat. Make it happen.
 
ketelmeister said:
Both new teams would come in with greatly reduced revenue payments, plus with a Memphis, the owner of Fed Ex would sweeten the conference pot even more. A wash at worst, and a huge gain for Iowa State.
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How does Fedex being owned by a Memphis alumn help the conference one bit??!!
 
A playoff team is worth $6M to the conference, while the other championship bowls are worth $4M. Therefore, in an average year the Big 12 should hope to get one in the playoff and one in the other bowl, or $10M per year. This year the Big 12 will get $8M. Therefore, the cost per team of the snub is $200,000.

If we assume $30M conference payout per year, with an additional two teams the payout when fully implemented is($300M x 10)/12, or $25M. The annual cost per team would be $5M. A conference championship is worth around $15M I think. I am not sure there would be an increase in tv revenue, as it would depend upon the teams.
 
No on byu, spend a couple days out in that world and thinks it's a good idea. They make baylor look normal
 
Gtown25 said:
Let's add NDSU and UNI!! (Is jimlad needed)
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No, no, no. We are looking for schools we can beat. So I am think Iowa and Toledo. With the caveat that Iowa must guarantee K. Ferentz will be their coach forever.
 
JCloned said:
Top 3 non big 5 programs by tv ratings last year:

Boise State ave viewers 1.2 MM
San Diego State ave viewers 1.1 MM
BYU ave viewers 1.1 MM

For comparison:
Kansas Sate ave viewers 1.0 MM
Iowa State ave viewers 644,000
Cincinnati 500,000
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I found a site with this information for 2013... http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013...ball-tv-ratings-2013-regular-season-final-sec

UCF averaged just over 1.64 MM viewers and was the highest of the non-Power 5 schools, from what I could tell.
 
I think there are several schools with certain aspects that are definitely to their advantage.

Best school available based on academics: Tulane

Best land grant (ISU peer) school available: Colorado State

New stadiums: Tulane, Colorado State

Biggest stadium: Memphis/Liberty bowl

Biggest TV markets: Tulane, Florida directional schools, BYU

Best recruiting footprint added to the conference: Tulane/Louisiana, Florida directional schools/Florida

Best schools based on geography (proximity to existing Big 12 schools) Tulane, Colorado State, Cincinnati, Memphis
-Assuming we don't want to add a school already in our footprint (Houston for example).

Worst schools mentioned in recent expansion threads based on academics: Boise State, ECU
 
I like Memphis better than Cinci. Fed Ex$$$ Memphis has the potential to be decent in football if they joined a major conference and got their boosters sold on upgrading facilities. You add Memphis and Nashville too.
 
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