BYU and Notre Dame just got informed they will never be part of the playoff.
Well BYU did, Notre Dame will have different rules than TCU and Baylor.
Realistic could be add Cincy and BYU for FB only.
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BYU and Notre Dame just got informed they will never be part of the playoff.
Well BYU did, Notre Dame will have different rules than TCU and Baylor.
Realistic could be add Cincy and BYU for FB only.
That would be considered a conference championship game, which requires the B12 to get a waiver from the NCAA. The waiver will never happen because the other four conferences know it works in their for the B12 to not have a conference championship game.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...ys-conference-reconsider-how-declare-champion
The Big 12 would need to add two teams or have the NCAA approve a waiver to have a conference championship game. The Big 12 has 10 teams, and a conference must have 12 teams to have a conference championship game.
Not when we could add at least 10 other schools before we had to put up with their bull****.
Next year do you think CPR would rather play Baylor/TCU or Memphis/Cinci just from a need to get wins scenario?
From year to year, two pods would form an 8 team division. If year to year rotation would require a rule change, well ... its all just for conversation anyway. It just seems that the super-conferences could be inevitable.
And right, 8 team divisions would be like the conferences of yesteryear. Right now, you have 14 team leagues with 7 team divisions. Interesting to note, too, that Jeff Sagarin's "conference" rankings are nowadays broken out by conference divisions, with the Big 12's 10 teams being the largest grouping:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2014/conference/
If we're talking about expanding west, let's really commit to it. University of Hawaii and University of Guam are at the top of my list.
Don't overreact too much. If a Big 12 team goes undefeated they will get in. I would be shocked if the sentiment in Austin or Norman has changed at all.
With the brutal round robin schedule, it is unlikely we see an undefeated Big12 team for a while...
I think the Big12s first action to propose doing away with the 12 team requirement to have a championship game. Right now the playing field is uneven with a selection committee bias toward conference championship games over 9 confernce games.
I don't have a problem with Ohio State making the playoff as I think they are on par with TCU and Baylor. However, in the end they chose Ohio State because the name on the front of the jersey is a bigger TV draw.
Ohio State/Wisky played 9 Big10 games vs. Baylor and TCU played 9 Big12 games- which conference was tougher this year? The Big10, SEC and ACC championship games got them on par with the Big12 schedule of 9 conference games. Sure Ohio State played a 13th game, but there extra game was actully a non-conference game back in September against the likes of
Navy, Va. Tech, Kent State and Cincinnati.
The playing field for playoff selection should be made level
1) All Big 5 conference teams must play 9 conference games.
2) All Big 5 conferences must have a championship game
3) Do away with the requirement to have divisions. In the Big12s case a Baylor/TCU championship game would have been great. Even in bigger conferences - wouldn't a Big10 championship game of MSU vs. OSU been more attractive? In the SEC a Bama vs. Ole Miss game might have been a better match-up.
IMO within 4 years we will see an expansion to 8 playoff teams. Every year there will be a deserving Big 5 champ left out of the playoff
Personally, I am in favor of blowing up the conferences for football and creating six groups of 12 teams. Play the other 11 teams in your group plus one. The six group champs get an automatic berth in the playoff plus 2 at large teams. I would "rebalance" groups every 2 years after a home and home series. The groups would have a geographic basis. IMO the recent conference realignment might be better for TV, but it horrible for fans attending games. How often will an ISU fan make the road trip to WVU? How often will Iowa fans make the road trip to MD or Rutgers? How often will Mizzou fans make the road trip to Georgia?
I don't have a problem with Ohio State making the playoff as I think they are on par with TCU and Baylor. However, in the end they chose Ohio State because the name on the front of the jersey is a bigger TV draw.
Ohio State/Wisky played 9 Big10 games vs. Baylor and TCU played 9 Big12 games- which conference was tougher this year? The Big10, SEC and ACC championship games got them on par with the Big12 schedule of 9 conference games. Sure Ohio State played a 13th game, but there extra game was actully a non-conference game back in September against the likes of
Navy, Va. Tech, Kent State and Cincinnati.
The playing field for playoff selection should be made level
1) All Big 5 conference teams must play 9 conference games.
2) All Big 5 conferences must have a championship game
3) Do away with the requirement to have divisions. In the Big12s case a Baylor/TCU championship game would have been great. Even in bigger conferences - wouldn't a Big10 championship game of MSU vs. OSU been more attractive? In the SEC a Bama vs. Ole Miss game might have been a better match-up.
IMO within 4 years we will see an expansion to 8 playoff teams. Every year there will be a deserving Big 5 champ left out of the playoff
Personally, I am in favor of blowing up the conferences for football and creating six groups of 12 teams. Play the other 11 teams in your group plus one. The six group champs get an automatic berth in the playoff plus 2 at large teams. I would "rebalance" groups every 2 years after a home and home series. The groups would have a geographic basis. IMO the recent conference realignment might be better for TV, but it horrible for fans attending games. How often will an ISU fan make the road trip to WVU? How often will Iowa fans make the road trip to MD or Rutgers? How often will Mizzou fans make the road trip to Georgia?
sample tv ratings from this year:
Sept 6th
Thurs October 2nd
Friday Oct 3rd
Sept 6th
| 0.4 | 686K | 10:15 PM | Colorado St./Boise St. | ESPN2 |
| 0.4 | 605K | 3:30 PM | Ball State/Iowa | ESPN2 |
| 0.4 | 596K | 12:00 PM | Kansas St./Iowa St. | FS1 |
Thurs October 2nd
| 0.5 | 744K | 7:00 PM | UCF/Houston | ESPN |
| 0.8 | 1.17M | 10:15 PM | Utah St./BYU | ESPN Sat Oct 10th
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Need to go after Notre Dame hard and then add a team like Cinci, Colorado St, ECU, Tulane, etc...
New Mexico??? you can't be serious they would be in the last 3 Mountain West schools you would consider.
The Big 12 doesn't need to add 2 teams or play a CCG. It seems to me that the Big 12 being left out was a combination of not declaring "one true champion" and scheduling dumb games this past weekend.
These are easy fixes. The conference schedules are set less than a year before the season that there is really no reason you shouldn't have your marquee matchups on the last weekend. No reason ISU should of been scheduled to play anyone this past weekend....games like OU/ Baylor should of been scheduled. It seems that maybe they attempted to fix this next year as they have Baylor/Texas and KSU/WV scheduled.
These are easy fixes. The conference schedules are set less than a year before the season that there is really no reason you shouldn't have your marquee matchups on the last weekend. No reason ISU should of been scheduled to play anyone this past weekend....games like OU/ Baylor should of been scheduled. It seems that maybe they attempted to fix this next year as they have Baylor/Texas and KSU/WV scheduled.
I love how everybody is so stuck up and screaming that adding any of these teams would dilute our conference in football. Um, hello, we are the dilution in the current makeup of the league, we need other crappy teams in the league to have a chance at bowl eligibility.
Realistically, we need to expand so we can have divisions, it' makes a big difference for a school like us that needs a break from playing the top teams every year. Look back to when most remember us being good; most of it was due to the crappy nature of the division those years, not because we had superior talent. I love ISU, but I've never understood how more people didn't realize why we had some of those win totals.
Regarding the playoff snub... Until the league expands to get a championship game AND teams up their non-con schedule (hello Baylor), we have no right to ***** about being left out of the playoffs
Realistically, we need to expand so we can have divisions, it' makes a big difference for a school like us that needs a break from playing the top teams every year. Look back to when most remember us being good; most of it was due to the crappy nature of the division those years, not because we had superior talent. I love ISU, but I've never understood how more people didn't realize why we had some of those win totals.
Regarding the playoff snub... Until the league expands to get a championship game AND teams up their non-con schedule (hello Baylor), we have no right to ***** about being left out of the playoffs
I've been saying the same thing for a long time. The only difference I'd make is:
5 conference champions
1 highest rated team not from Power 5 conferences
2 next highest rated
That gives everyone something to play for. Much like highest rated non-AQ team now gets a bid for the Fiesta Bowl.
This is more a thought exercise about extreme expansion. New Mexico is a perfectly good land grant school, a nice fit geographically, so a nice fit for the long term. Pop Warner coached there, didn't he? Was alternately thinking UTSA, given their rapid ascension into the FBS. So who would you suggest?
