Discipline and focus

[Tre4ISU]

I think the thread progression is something like this.............we had good leadership the last couple of years,.......we wonder if this leadership is lacking this year in someway and whether that has led to the discipline and focus problems we see now. AAC and 85 were trying to pin the problem on who recruited this year's senior leadership and I thought perhaps they were not coached up to be the leaders that we need by CPR and staff. who knows?? I think that's about right.

Oh and AAC (aka "cyclones"spelled backward) is trying to do anything he can to get me banned so he can go brag about it to the good 'ole boys. My money says he will be gone first.

So I will point out the elephant in the room. How long until you throw your donor clout around and really start making a ruckus around CPR? I hate seen you say about 100 times more positive things about Chizik than you have about Rhoads. I think you have an axe to grind. I think you resent how much the fanbase likes Paul Rhoads compared to when Chizik was here. Seriously, it's every little thing with you. You have made one personal foul penalty into a team epidemic that doesn't exist. Get the **** over it. It isn't that big of a deal.

Also, you obsession with wanting to point out to everyone you know who AAC is on CF is somewhat disturbing. No one really cares.

 

[cyclone87]

This thread is unbelievable, in both of chizik's seasons as head coach we looked terrible all kinds of personal fouls every game, players not knowing what they were supposed to be doing, plays not getting in on time, it may have been one of the worst jobs by a coach and staff I have ever seen. Stop bring up GC he was terrible at ISU!

 

[tazclone]

This ******* match between you 3 is of no concern to me, although it is somewhat entertaining. I was merely trying to point out that this season seems to be an anomaly in terms of penalties for this coaching staff. This leads me to believe we are lacking in player leadership, not that the coaching staff is the problem. I'm also of the belief that a persons attitude is very hard to change. LJ has always been one to celebrate quite often and I don't think it's gotten any better or worse in his time here. We may see it more now, but he also has significantly more chances to celebrate than he did in the dismal season that was his freshman year. Is it a result of a former coach recruiting players with potential attitude problems? Possibly, but I think increasing the talent level was significantly more important than worrying about intangibles at that point in the program.
I also actually don't think that LJ or some of the other seniors are bad people, just very excitable and emotional. I have zero problem with 99% of what happens with our players on the field. The bonehead plays coming from a senior and potential all-conference corner? Inexcusable, but it's not like he's the first player to act like an idiot in a big game. This team will learn to play smart in big games as they get more exposure to them. /rambling

We had penalty issues last year. WE had fewer penalties but they mostly happened in the red zone. Extend that out to the 30 and we had even more. Drive killing offensive penalties have been a staple of this offense for 3 years.

 

[ISUFan22]

This post-loss *****-fight stuff is nonsense.

Both Chizik and Rhoads teams have proven to lack discipline. Rhoads just wins more - and has not suffered horrid loses to teams like UNLV, Toledo, UNI...

 

[tazclone]

The first year these seniors played college football, there were 77 penalties for 689 yards. After the new coaching regime came in they went 71-648 and 71-616 the next two years. This year they are at 38-346. In other words, for the frust 3 years these players were here, penalty yards decreased. Are you of the opinion that the coaching staff told them after last season that this was a disturbing trend and they needed to act like idiots this year?

6 fewer penalties over 12-13 games is not much of a reduction.

 

[cyclone87]

This post-loss *****-fight stuff is nonsense.

Both Chizik and Rhoads teams have proven to lack discipline. Rhoads just wins more - and has not suffered horrid loses to teams like UNLV, Toledo, UNI...

This is pretty much how I see it as well

 

[nhclone]

We had penalty issues last year. WE had fewer penalties but they mostly happened in the red zone. Extend that out to the 30 and we had even more. Drive killing offensive penalties have been a staple of this offense for 3 years.

This is possible, I didn't dig into the location of penalties over that timespan.

6 fewer penalties over 12-13 games is not much of a reduction.

No, its less than an 8% reduction but it's a step in the right direction and certaintly better than the 21 penalty increase (37.5%) we saw from 2007-2008. Whether that jump is due to the players entering the system (current Seniors/RS Juniors) or some other factor is unknown.

 

[jmb]

This post-loss *****-fight stuff is nonsense.

Both Chizik and Rhoads teams have proven to lack discipline. Rhoads just wins more - and has not suffered horrid loses to teams like UNLV, Toledo, UNI...

The "just" is a hefty thing skewing things towards the current administration versus the previous.

I think we would all agree with the notion that penalties are hurting us. But to say that lining helmets up was somehow a good thing is less than accurate when looking at the CFB stats from the previous regime comapred to this one.

It seems like Rebacy wants to point to an unsavory bunch, that left this fan base in a world of hurt, as the standard by which this regime ought coach. The notion is unsupportable and nonsense. If we were to compare ourselves to the service acadmies(historically few penalties) I would be much more comfortable. However; we are comparing this team to a mediocre standard at best.

It is also important to note that the team is fairly well behaved off the field...and that is IMPORTANT. Grades mostly seem in line and that is IMPORTANT. We aren't manufacturing serial thuggary(sp?) and winning more than in the past that is IMPORTANT. We probably would be better of without the penalties-that is IMPORTANT.

Please let's stop with the Jeanie refs and we would all be happy.

To shorten my response up here: I agree with 22.

 

[rebecacy]

We had penalty issues last year. WE had fewer penalties but they mostly happened in the red zone. Extend that out to the 30 and we had even more. Drive killing offensive penalties have been a staple of this offense for 3 years.

THIS!!!!!! And it is the elephant in the room and we should not pretend that it is not a problem because it is and getting worse this year. Likely because the senior leadership has not stepped up. Another coaching issue.

 

[Cy$]

So I will point out the elephant in the room. How long until you throw your donor clout around and really start making a ruckus around CPR? I hate seen you say about 100 times more positive things about Chizik than you have about Rhoads. I think you have an axe to grind. I think you resent how much the fanbase likes Paul Rhoads compared to when Chizik was here. Seriously, it's every little thing with you. You have made one personal foul penalty into a team epidemic that doesn't exist. Get the **** over it. It isn't that big of a deal.

Also, you obsession with wanting to point out to everyone you know who AAC is on CF is somewhat disturbing. No one really cares.

If this statement suggests you don't think we have somewhat of a discipline problem then you haven't been watching us play alot

 

[rebecacy]

So I will point out the elephant in the room. How long until you throw your donor clout around and really start making a ruckus around CPR? I hate seen you say about 100 times more positive things about Chizik than you have about Rhoads. I think you have an axe to grind. I think you resent how much the fanbase likes Paul Rhoads compared to when Chizik was here. Seriously, it's every little thing with you. You have made one personal foul penalty into a team epidemic that doesn't exist. Get the **** over it. It isn't that big of a deal.

Also, you obsession with wanting to point out to everyone you know who AAC is on CF is somewhat disturbing. No one really cares.

My rep comments on the AAC issue tells me they care and even encourage me to keep it up.

I support CPR, I just think it is time to realize he is not the messiah and the shine is off the apple. Coaching changes will be needed if this penalty and turnover crap continues. Look at the numbers..... we are almost leading the world of college football in these two areas. Horrible stupid football. I trust Ben Bruns........those are his words not mine. Actually I like your words as well ............ we do have a team epidemic of turnovers and penalties and something needs to be done about it Ranking #118 and #119 in these stats means there is a HUGE problem, how you cannot see this is beyond me.

 

[Cy$]

Good stuff............Do you think it might be related to poor senior leadership this year??? We lost some good leaders.......could be part of it??

ridicuous post here....just because they might get penalites doesn't mean they are leaders...you won't know or I won't know unless we practice with them, which we don't

 

[heitclone]

The "just" is a hefty thing skewing things towards the current administration versus the previous.

I think we would all agree with the notion that penalties are hurting us. But to say that lining helmets up was somehow a good thing is less than accurate when looking at the CFB stats from the previous regime comapred to this one.

It seems like Rebacy wants to point to an unsavory bunch, that left this fan base in a world of hurt, as the standard by which this regime ought coach. The notion is unsupportable and nonsense. If we were to compare ourselves to the service acadmies(historically few penalties) I would be much more comfortable. However; we are comparing this team to a mediocre standard at best.

It is also important to note that the team is fairly well behaved off the field...and that is IMPORTANT. Grades mostly seem in line and that is IMPORTANT. We aren't manufacturing serial thuggary(sp?) and winning more than in the past that is IMPORTANT. We probably would be better of without the penalties-that is IMPORTANT.

Please let's stop with the Jeanie refs and we would all be happy.

To shorten my response up here: I agree with 22.

This isn't true, we've had plenty of guys in trouble under CPR and we had the issue with Tiller and his grades. I don't think this team is anything to be too worried about yet but it seems to be more discipline issues than ISU has dealt with in awhile. So far its nothing to freak out about but at the same time, the coaching staff really should be addressing them before they get out of control.

 

[heitclone]

ridicuous post here....just because they might get penalites doesn't mean they are leaders...you won't know or I won't know unless we practice with them, which we don't

There is absolutely no excuse for the game changing penalties that we've had seniors show. We can only judge by what we've seen, and guys like LJ and KO seem to be the most guilty of the lack of discipline.

 

[Cy$]

There is absolutely no excuse for the game changing penalties that we've had seniors show. We can only judge by what we've seen, and guys like LJ and KO seem to be the most guilty of the lack of discipline.

It's ironic that rebecacy is saying "Chizik>CPR, CPR doesn't know what he's doing, I <3 Chizik" when HE is saying that the seniors are bad leaders. Guess who recruited them here to Ames? It rhymes with Jean Chizzstick..so you're saying he doesn't recruit leaders and he recruited undisciplined players?

Again extremely ironic

 

[rebecacy]

It seems like Rebacy wants to point to an unsavory bunch, that left this fan base in a world of hurt, as the standard by which this regime ought coach. The notion is unsupportable and nonsense. If we were to compare ourselves to the service acadmies(historically few penalties) I would be much more comfortable. However; we are comparing this team to a mediocre standard at best.

Could you go read the OP and tell me how in your mind you got here. The GC haters jumped all over this and turned it into a nut-fest. You may want to check the arrest records while the devil was here as well. You won't like it because GC is the center of all that is evil.

 

[Cy$]

Too much emotion is a bad thing in both our coaches and players. We need some of the military approach in our coaching of this team. There is a reason GC did that "stupid thing" of making the players line up their helmets. Also, I can not believe that LJ was trotting out on the next series after an inexcusable personal foul. Sometimes "family" members need a swift kick in the ***.

to answer your OP..you expect people to agree with you and your love of Chizik? common sense dude..bringing him into it had nothing to do with what you're talking about.

 

[nhclone]

Right now, I look at it like this. W've had penalty issues for the entire time this senior class has been here. Is it an issue with the coahing staff? Possibly, but I don't agree with that. After this year, we have only players that were recruited and coached by this staff, if the penalties continue, then something potentially needs to be done with the coaching staff. For now, we have 2 issues (turnovers and penalties such as false starts, illegal procedure, etc.) which are very correctable with good coaching and player preperation. Let the staff and team get a wake up call this week and make some changes and lets come out and give a very talented (at least offensively) Baylor team a kick in the mouth!

 

[rebecacy]

It's ironic that rebecacy is saying "Chizik>CPR, CPR doesn't know what he's doing, I <3 Chizik" when HE is saying that the seniors are bad leaders. Guess who recruited them here to Ames? It rhymes with Jean Chizzstick..so you're saying he doesn't recruit leaders and he recruited undisciplined players?

Again extremely ironic

Could you show me where I said any of this??

 

[Cy$]

Good stuff............Do you think it might be related to poor senior leadership this year??? We lost some good leaders.......could be part of it??

here and my post before...cut with the chizik love he isn't here anymore it's getting annoying