Hey, I see what you are saying and I agree, but you went a backward *** way of getting to this point that I finally agree with. Leave your man crush out of it.
Discipline and focus
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Hey, I see what you are saying and I agree, but you went a backward *** way of getting to this point that I finally agree with. Leave your man crush out of it.
You're right you won't know, because the guy took off after throwing a big "firmly entrenched" out there. I don't think anyone will argue with you that this team has discipline problems, it is painfully obvious four games into the season. But you know damn well what was going to happen bringing that piece of **** into the discussion. I can take a wild stab at what years three and four of the WORST coach in the history of a mediocre football program would look like, I don't think it would be pretty. The guy is a flaming ********* and for you to defend him and his joke of a time as leading man of this program is ludicrous.
Back on topic, I wonder if during scrimmages they call penalties like they would during an actual game? I'd imagine they do but there's not a lot IMO Rhoads can do as far as telling them to play smarter, it's going to take immediate reaction from the staff in a practice environment to get them to maintain their focus once the whistle blows
this has happened at every game multiple times, including the UCONN game when we got a "big hit" and celebrated even though they got a first down...that's face palm worthy
fair to the disipline issue. however let me make this simple for you 1) I will take disipline on the field 'issue' over being a loser issue. Paul is working to teaching winning-clearly there is an issue with on field disipline. 2) ISU had a losing mentality under Jeanie. BTW While Jeanie was the coach his "disipline" got us 88th in the country in penalties in 2008, and while we were #9 in the country in 2007 'disipline'(few penalty yards) we sucked butt, so there is a lot more than penalties to a final outcome. 3) If you are unwilling to speculate on what year 3 would have brought with Jeanie why speculate on how CPR should coach?
Please leave out the gc v pr comparisons...we will all have more fun here.
Because right NOW we are playing STUPID football ---- STUPID football for 4 straight gamesl!! Just maybe a different approach might help - it sure as hell can't hurt. STUPID football in conference won't win us another game. TX is not that good and the score was 34-0 at halftime. They played 18 freshman. OU will drill them next week.
Chizik would still be trying to call a play right now. That guys could give you a delay of game with the best of 'em.
Actually, you do know what it looks like. mac the mediocre went 1-10 and 3-8. Bringing that dazzling record to a staggering 9-35.
Thank goodness hayden the piece of **** fry saw all of his recruiting dry up.
The sad part is that I like Chizik, there I said it. But he was not the answer here, long term. But there is so much disingenuous nonsense in this thread.
Mac the terrible left a decimated program. He actually thought a competent AD would hire him away from Iowa State, and when that didn't happen no matter how hard he begged, he settled in and stopped doing everything.
People don't seem to remember that he had to rebuild an entire defense in his 12th year. And the offense was going to need to be rebuilt the next year.
It was a disaster. All of the ******** that the mac people try to pass off on here about how he inherited the "worst" program in the history of football is such a crock. He left as big of a rebuild as he found. The ONLY thing that had made it easier is that he had an AD in Gene Smith that was willing to bankrupt the AD to rebuild some facilities.
Not that I don't agree that through 4 games we have shown a lack of both. But what I disagree with it that this deserves a Chizik comparison. I believe this pieces of the game are more fixable then athletic discrepancies, I also believe that next week we will see a huge difference.....
So what? Let Shipley trash talk. ISU stopped UT on third down. Celebrate with each other and move on. You absolutely cannot lose focus of the game situation and get a dead ball personal foul to give the other team a first down. If this happens to a freshman, maybe it is understandable, but this should not happen to an upperclassman with considerable playing time.
Like I said earlier, ISU is struggling with understanding the difference between playing with emotion, and simply running around expending emotional energy. The celebrating of a tackle after giving up a first down that certain players do is a perfect example. Giving up a first down is a team failure; it's not something that should be celebrated. Maybe an individual player did good on the play, but the team as a whole failed. A player properly directing his emotional energy should see that failure, and turn the disgust of giving up that first down into motivation to play harder and get a stop. Players who don't know how to harness their emotional energy will run around high fiving each other about making a tackle, and the emotional energy will be wasted.
As rebecacy said, you can't just flip a switch to correct this. Someone else said that football is an emotional game, which is absolutely correct, and why it is absolutely necessary for players to understand how to control and focus that emotion during the games.
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I think it is a lot like basketball in this regard, where being jacked up and crazy can be helpful on defense because it is more like a frenzy, but on offense you have to be collected and calm, not playing too fast, more controlled agressiveness and methodical.
Our offense comes out too jacked up at times I think. Steele overthrew a ball badly on the first possession and took forever to settle down I felt. Same with the receivers.
I just think we need more big games like this so everyone...players, coaches...know how to approach it better. If you think about it, there hasn't been a game at Jack Trice in the time period anyone on the current team has seen. Texas game was much bigger and much different than Iowa. Learning process for everyone. We need more games like that, PR will figure it out, he is a smart dude.
I hate that some people seem to equate "playing with an edge" with committing stupid penalties. No one would argue that Jake Knott doesn't play with an edge, he just confines his emotions to playing football not taunting the other team.
The next two games will be what tells us if it changes. If you don stupid stuff and win, you don't work (as a player) on fixing stupid stuff. You think it will just happen no matter what the coach says. After a loss is when it sinks in.
Now on to chizik, I liked him and thought we was bringing players in. Would he have won here, **** NO. He brought his buddies in to run the show, that right there showed he wasn't going to be here long. He hired quality at the next step. I feel he used ISU tremendously. If he turned it, he was a genius. If he failed, well nobody can win at ISU. No lose for him, he never envisioned this much longer than a couple years.
I still debate who was a better coach, Mac or walden. Walden ate the sanctions put on us and had no support, and failed. Mac no longer had sanctions and had an AD willing to build something, and had a few so-so years. Walden played some decent non cons, Mac used the Iowa, kstate non con approach. I think if you would have flipped periods, they would have been close to equal.
Now on to chizik, I liked him and thought we was bringing players in. Would he have won here, **** NO. He brought his buddies in to run the show, that right there showed he wasn't going to be here long. He hired quality at the next step. I feel he used ISU tremendously. If he turned it, he was a genius. If he failed, well nobody can win at ISU. No lose for him, he never envisioned this much longer than a couple years.
I still debate who was a better coach, Mac or walden. Walden ate the sanctions put on us and had no support, and failed. Mac no longer had sanctions and had an AD willing to build something, and had a few so-so years. Walden played some decent non cons, Mac used the Iowa, kstate non con approach. I think if you would have flipped periods, they would have been close to equal.
Chizik's teams were extremely undisciplined. You don't remember the rash of personal foul penalties we racked up under his leadership?
It's simply continued into the Rhoads era and I'm rather tired of it. Protect the damn ball and shut your mouth when on the field.
Maybe a loss will wake 'em up.
Our fans were also quite "undisciplined" - booing damn near every single flag. A penalty is a penalty - period.
It's simply continued into the Rhoads era and I'm rather tired of it. Protect the damn ball and shut your mouth when on the field.
Maybe a loss will wake 'em up.
Our fans were also quite "undisciplined" - booing damn near every single flag. A penalty is a penalty - period.
CPR inherited better talent than his predecessor did. DMac was dreadful at the end. And DMac won only 4 games in his first two years. If Iowa would have come calling at the end of his first two years he would have been gone as well. All true but no one wants to remember theses facts.
Frankly our team this year looks like it gets more penalties and turnovers ratio since 1992. The easiest thing to fix (or should be) is penalities (especially false starts) and turnovers (especially on handoffs). Still waiting for us to play a complete game. We look like salt and pepper.
I don't know if this has already been mentioned (I haven't waded through every single post on this thread), but I wonder if the fact that Rhoads is going more with the hurry up offense is causing some of the penalty/turnover issues. That and the fact that Jantz is still learning how to read defenses.