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*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Wednesday, June 3 ***

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jddegraf said:
I know Fred is coming back Friday and said he will likely have at least a discussion with Pollard about who takes over. I think whoever is in on that meeting needs to listen very closely. He definitely wants what is best for Iowa St and has likely spent some time thinking about who would work best not only for this year, but going forward. Is it probably TJ? Likely, but you need to get his point of view if they haven't already.
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I guarantee you that discussion has already taken place.
 
Can we have a site wide agreement that no KU affiliated names will be attached to this coaching search? That's like my #3 criteria after playing style and recruiting.

It just pizzes me off for like the next 30 minutes when someone says "Larry Brown" or "Jerod Haase" or "Danny Manning". I will mention on KU name that does not make me mad, "Greg Ostertag".
 
LLCoolJansma said:
Alright, finished replacing the F5 key on the laptop ready for coach watch day 2.

I think that TJ is still the favorite as of today. The lack of HC experience give me pause but not more than taking a Mid-Major who hasn't recruited against other P5 coaches. Every coach has some warts but Otz has support of the ISU, I think Otz P5 assistant experience is at least level with the mid major coaches names we've heard up to this point. Let the interviews separate out the winner.

Hornacek plus TJ would be a home run, but I am not exactly sure how interested Jeff is in ISU as opposed to just getting a Suns extension. I also think if this was a realistic option the deal would be done or almost done and be choice one for Pollard/Leath. Satisfy's the desires of both a name coach and keeping TJ as the coach in waiting and there wouldn't be as many names being leaked in day 1 as we heard. IMO

As for the others, I like the Prohm due to his wide open system, dominated his conference, and the fact he has gotten players from Murray State to the NBA in Canaan and Payne (projected lottery this year after averaging 20pts/gm) which should suit Monte/Nick/Hallice and help 2016 recruiting. Intrigued by Rice and Underwood, watching some of their games last year Rice inverted the offense and was gave players the green light to shoot at any time. Underwood seems like a good coach a jump from SFA would be bigger than Boise St, I would be concerned about their first year recruiting and Otz staying on as an assistant.

As for Dana Altman, he has the resume, local connections, and good style for ISU's roster. Would be a good hire but, I just don't see him leaving a top 20 team with Nike money and facilities. Also the scandal of last year and the lack of info he had or didn't tell his administration would concern me if I was JP/Leath.
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Finally someone with some logic....Prohm would be a great hire as well. Dude can flat out get it done. How many players did Fred get to the NBA? Zip. Prohm has done it at Murray state for godsakes, Murray freaking state.

Most of you on here see all these mid major candidates and freak out because u think that all mid major coaches are awful and can't possibly recruit at the P5 level...While it is true that some can't when they get to P5 there are a lot that can. Archie miller sure didn't have a tough time getting good players to Dayton. He's only made more sweet 16 than Fred.
 
RubyClone said:
Great difference between what they have to convict of sexual assault and what can be deemed civil liability - see OJ Simpson.

Doesn't help his case that Oregon found them guilty enough to kick them off the team and suspend them from the school "for 4 to 10 years" IIRC. Never heard of a suspension from a school for something like that.

The lawsuit against Altman says he knew about the 1 player's troubles at his previous school, and recruited him anyway creating a dangerous environment. 1) I have no idea if that is a viable complaint. 2) Probably pretty hard to prove that Altman did know - I suppose open records request and his documented communications are about the only way to prove it short of some witness.
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That's kinda my point. What happened was awful, but I really don't get why he is to be held accountable for it, or why it would damage his reputation in any way.
 
jpete24 said:
Jeremy, if this is the case, why didn't we at least explore the option to give Fred that and keep him? This leads me to believe that Fred didn't give a rats butt about the money, but basically said what he said in the press conference, "here is my list of NBA coaching jobs, if any of those come up during my tenure at Iowa State, I'd be interested in leaving for them."
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If we can afford a $5M coach, we should spend those resources on the football side.
 
Stormin said:
Fred shut things down immediately when there was talk about renegotiation with Iowa State. Reportedly Fred told Jamie, Nor Renegotiation. This has nothing to do with money. It is about my dream to coach in the NBA at the highest level.

IMO, the heart surgery brought a greater sense of urgency to pursue the NBA sooner rather than later.

Sounds like Fred wrestled with the decision a lot. I have gone from being bummed and ticked off to accepting that Fred wanted to do this. It is his life, he still loves ISU. And Fred will always be a Cyclone and give a lot of positive publicity for Iowa State.
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IMO, Hoiberg probably told himself which NBA jobs he truly considered no-brainers to pursue, regardless of his time line at ISU and the Bulls were one of those. Hoiberg still loves ISU and Ames, i'm not sure the heart surgery has anything to do with it.
 
Jeremy said:
Regarding ISU's budget... Just based on what I hear, I think ISU could afford up to $5mil without it causing adverse effects on other programs, coaches, prospective plans, contingencies, etc. That is just speculation based on talking with big donors and the discussions they've had with JP. Now, just because we can afford up to that limit, doesn't mean there is a scenario where JP wants to spend even half that, and he would prefer to spend a third of that at most. Again, this is just conjecture based on various discussions, don't take it as an independent audit of the budget for the next 10 years.
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Well, considering that JP gave him a contract that averaged more than half of that in April of last year, I would disagree with you. 2014-15: $2.2 million; 2015-16: $2.3 million; 2016-17: $2.4 million; 2017-18: $2.5 million; 2018-19: $2.6 million; 2019-20: $2.7 million; 2020-21: $2.8 million; 2021-22: $2.9 million; 2022-23: $3.0 million
 
Beyerball said:
Finally someone with some logic....Prohm would be a great hire as well. Dude can flat out get it done. How many players did Fred get to the NBA? Zip. Prohm has done it at Murray state for godsakes, Murray freaking state.

Most of you on here see all these mid major candidates and freak out because u think that all mid major coaches are awful and can't possibly recruit at the P5 level...While it is true that some can't when they get to P5 there are a lot that can. Archie miller sure didn't have a tough time getting good players to Dayton. He's only made more sweet 16 than Fred.
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I just, I can't even.
 
This is a real tweet from Randy Peterson. Who works at the most prestigious newspaper in the state.

Randy Peterson ‏@RandyPete 1h1 hour ago
Peterson: Reel in expectations, #cyclones fans. Guys like Coach K, Calipari, Pitino and Self aren't coming to Ames. http://ow.ly/NOzbc
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JFC. No one, and mean mean NO ONE, is expecting any of those guys. Or anywhere close to those guys. Cyclone fans have "reeled in expectations" to the point where almost everyone knows Archie Miller is coming here.
 
CyTwins said:
Was Lutz an offensive guy when he came to Ames? (I really don't know to answer to that). Sadler sure wasn't and Mann still was in charge of the defense even with Sadler here so I don't think it's that big of a deal
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Lutz's rep is as a defensive coach, we didn't do much of what he was known for at UNCC either (zone defense), you're right wouldn't be a big deal but CR is more known as an offensive coach so its a little different situation.
 
Beyerball said:
Finally someone with some logic....Prohm would be a great hire as well. Dude can flat out get it done. How many players did Fred get to the NBA? Zip. Prohm has done it at Murray state for godsakes, Murray freaking state.

Most of you on here see all these mid major candidates and freak out because u think that all mid major coaches are awful and can't possibly recruit at the P5 level...While it is true that some can't when they get to P5 there are a lot that can. Archie miller sure didn't have a tough time getting good players to Dayton. He's only made more sweet 16 than Fred.
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Chris Babb, Royce White, Diante Garrett?
 
Die4Cy said:
IMO, Hoiberg probably told himself which NBA jobs he truly considered no-brainers to pursue, regardless of his time line at ISU and the Bulls were one of those. Hoiberg still loves ISU and Ames, i'm not sure the heart surgery has anything to do with it.
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Maybe the heart surgery made him realize that he might have a shorter career window than most coaches in that he might not feel as comfortable coaching late into his 60's like many do. Who knows? All I know is that I fully understand why he took the Bulls job. It's in a city close to his extended family in Ames with a management group he knows that he gets along with for an organization that has shown they will always try to make the necessary moves to improve.
 
Beyerball said:
Wow. Just wow. Are u serious? Did u not watch Oregon nearly beat a Wisconsin team in the sweet 16 last year?

Altman is one hell of a coach and recruiter. He'd almost be the perfect hire as he would prob coach another 5 years or so then retire and hand then job off to a 42 yr old TJ or a Fred H who just got canned in Chicago.
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Wow. We actually agree. Altman would be a helluva hire. Proven coach at the highest college level. Altman has been selected as the National Coach of the Year in 2013. Proven recruiter. Known as one of the best game coaches and has an unbelievable record of winning the close games. Excellent X's and O's. Scores a lot of points. Has a similar demeanor to Fred. And he is an Eagle Scout to boot.

I actually prefer Altman over Hornacek. Not sure what the criticism is about, except that some are trying to associate Creighton, McDermott, and Altman in one ridiculous thought process.
 
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