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*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Wednesday, June 3 ***

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Jeremy said:
Just based on what I hear, I think ISU could afford up to $5mil without it causing adverse effects on other programs, coaches, prospective plans, contingencies, etc. That is just speculation based on talking with big donors and the discussions they've had with JP. Now, just because we can afford up to that limit, doesn't mean there is a scenario where JP wants to spend even half that, and he would prefer to spend a third of that at most.
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Jeremy, if this is the case, why didn't we at least explore the option to give Fred that and keep him? This leads me to believe that Fred didn't give a rats butt about the money, but basically said what he said in the press conference, "here is my list of NBA coaching jobs, if any of those come up during my tenure at Iowa State, I'd be interested in leaving for them."
 
501Clone said:
Please don't let it be Leon Rice... PLEASE
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Why?

RubyClone said:
The DA said he didn't have enough evidence to press charges against the players.

I don't know what a DA would have to do with a lawsuit.
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Okay, just saw one post. If he didn't have enough evidence to press charges against the players, what are the chances that Altman gets in trouble for what some of his players can't even be charged for? Are coaches, administrators, companies and colleges responsible for every action (or alleged action) of their employees, students or players? I'm just not seeing why this would taint Altman in any way.
 
jpete24 said:
Jeremy, if this is the case, why didn't we at least explore the option to give Fred that and keep him? This leads me to believe that Fred didn't give a rats butt about the money, but basically said what he said in the press conference, "here is my list of NBA coaching jobs, if any of those come up during my tenure at Iowa State, I'd be interested in leaving for them."
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Travis Hines said he asked Fred yesterday if ISU tried to renegotiate his contract, and Fred said he wouldn't let it get to that point because this was not about the money.
 
If ISU has a budget that could reach $5m. Why would we even consider settling. JP wants to save money, and that's great, but we are at a crossroads. I am with Leath. Make a splash if you can, if not then go with TJ.

KU and UK pay their Coaches big time dollars. It's part of the equation.

If we don't have the money for it, I totally understand, too.
 
KcClone01 said:
The only problem with Larry Brown is that he usually leaves wake of sanctions behind him as he moves on. (See Kansas, as an example). Only Team in NCAA history to not be allowed to defend their national title. Although IMO he could burn Hilton to the ground if brought us a national championship.
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I will give it all up for one championship.
 
Kurttr said:
Very disappointed to see Altman is the mystery candidate. Very underwhelmed. Have you watched his Oregon teams play? Looked to me to be very undisciplined and arrogant. Not what I'd want representing ISU.

Funny that some are so down on TJ but excited about Altman. He flunked out as K State head coach the first time around. While he's "stabilized" at Creighton and then Oregon, I'd much rather have the potential of TJ then the known of Altman.

First on my list would be Hornacek. Then, TJ and whomever the top mid-majors are - Underwood seems like he might be worth a hard look - has Power 5/Big 12 assistant experience as well - just would have to make sure the buyout is huge re: K State.
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Wow. Just wow. Are u serious? Did u not watch Oregon nearly beat a Wisconsin team in the sweet 16 last year?

Altman is one hell of a coach and recruiter. He'd almost be the perfect hire as he would prob coach another 5 years or so then retire and hand then job off to a 42 yr old TJ or a Fred H who just got canned in Chicago.
 
Larry Brown may lead us to a championship, but would that matter when we get the death penalty the year after? The dude might be able to coach but has no regard for rules. If you want ISU to succeed, we can't be sitting on the sidelines of the postseason for the next decade because of sanctions.
 
jpete24 said:
Jeremy, if this is the case, why didn't we at least explore the option to give Fred that and keep him? This leads me to believe that Fred didn't give a rats butt about the money, but basically said what he said in the press conference, "here is my list of NBA coaching jobs, if any of those come up during my tenure at Iowa State, I'd be interested in leaving for them."
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Keith Murphy asked him yesterday if Pollard and Co. came to him about increasing his salary at Iowa St and Fred said he wouldn't let them do it.
 
Cyclonepride said:
Why?



Okay, just saw one post. If he didn't have enough evidence to press charges against the players, what are the chances that Altman gets in trouble for what some of his players can't even be charged for? Are coaches, administrators, companies and colleges responsible for every action (or alleged action) of their employees, students or players? I'm just not seeing why this would taint Altman in any way.
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Great difference between what they have to convict of sexual assault and what can be deemed civil liability - see OJ Simpson.

Doesn't help his case that Oregon found them guilty enough to kick them off the team and suspend them from the school "for 4 to 10 years" IIRC. Never heard of a suspension from a school for something like that.

The lawsuit against Altman says he knew about the 1 player's troubles at his previous school, and recruited him anyway creating a dangerous environment. 1) I have no idea if that is a viable complaint. 2) Probably pretty hard to prove that Altman did know - I suppose open records request and his documented communications are about the only way to prove it short of some witness.
 
heitclone said:
Robinson is not in a category with an ac like Lutz or Sadler. He's a decent recruiter but from an X's and O's standpoint, he doesn't fit. He's a Princeton offense guy, would be a big contrast to how we play now.
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Was Lutz an offensive guy when he came to Ames? (I really don't know to answer to that). Sadler sure wasn't and Mann still was in charge of the defense even with Sadler here so I don't think it's that big of a deal
 
jpete24 said:
Jeremy, if this is the case, why didn't we at least explore the option to give Fred that and keep him? This leads me to believe that Fred didn't give a rats butt about the money, but basically said what he said in the press conference, "here is my list of NBA coaching jobs, if any of those come up during my tenure at Iowa State, I'd be interested in leaving for them."
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Fred shut things down immediately when there was talk about renegotiation with Iowa State. Reportedly Fred told Jamie, Nor Renegotiation. This has nothing to do with money. It is about my dream to coach in the NBA at the highest level.

IMO, the heart surgery brought a greater sense of urgency to pursue the NBA sooner rather than later.

Sounds like Fred wrestled with the decision a lot. I have gone from being bummed and ticked off to accepting that Fred wanted to do this. It is his life, he still loves ISU. And Fred will always be a Cyclone and give a lot of positive publicity for Iowa State.
 
Altman is a surprise. But I can't understand why anyone would even think about leaving the University of Nike.
 
I know Fred is coming back Friday and said he will likely have at least a discussion with Pollard about who takes over. I think whoever is in on that meeting needs to listen very closely. He definitely wants what is best for Iowa St and has likely spent some time thinking about who would work best not only for this year, but going forward. Is it probably TJ? Likely, but you need to get his point of view if they haven't already.
 
How awesome would it be if we got Altman and Dillon Brooks came along? Niang Jr. :smile:
 
jddegraf said:
Keith Murphy asked him yesterday if Pollard and Co. came to him about increasing his salary at Iowa St and Fred said he wouldn't let them do it.
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Somehow my guess is if the NBA thing didn't work out, he would have let them....

He just wasn't going to sign a new contract and bolt 3 weeks later.
 
RubyClone said:
Great difference between what they have to convict of sexual assault and what can be deemed civil liability - see OJ Simpson.

Doesn't help his case that Oregon found them guilty enough to kick them off the team and suspend them from the school "for 4 to 10 years" IIRC. Never heard of a suspension from a school for something like that.

The lawsuit against Altman says he knew about the 1 player's troubles at his previous school, and recruited him anyway creating a dangerous environment. 1) I have no idea if that is a viable complaint. 2) Probably pretty hard to prove that Altman did know - I suppose open records request and his documented communications are about the only way to prove it short of some witness.
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So someone was "accused" but not guilty and brought in as a recruit. I always thought in the United States you were innocent until proven guilty. Guess not. I guess if a person is charged with something and someone gives that person employment or something is now held responsible if that person does something else? Pretty ridiculous lawsuit IMO. Royce White should have never been allowed to come to Ames and Iowa State. If he had subsequently robbed someone, they could have sued Fred.
 
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