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I am opposed to BYU mainly because I think they circumvent the rules by sending all their athletes on missions so their team is loaded with a bunch of guys in the mid-20s. A few years ago when Mariucci was the head coach of the 49ers his starting defense had an average age less than average age of BYU's defense. Think about that for a second.
 
Palmer said:
Arkansas + BYU.

The end.
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Arkansas would be huge. To me that would be just as big if not bigger than NU/CU leaving. Arkansas has better athletic programs across the board, a great fan base and the state of Arkansas is very under rated when it comes to recruiting. If the big 12 somehow got them the 12th team wouldn't have to be such a big name. If that team was BYU it would be a huge get for the conference.
 
We cant add TCU or Air Force. We lost two very prestigous teams in nebraska and colorado. The Pac 10 and Big ten are adding great schools we cant settle for anything less then great. Even tho i hate Notre Dame they are a great option why not take Arkansas from the SEC like the Pac ten and big ten did to us?
 
I'm not sure I can see BYU leaving their conference unless conferences like the Mountain West or WAC fail to attain automatic BCS tie-ins. If they can dominate their conference and have a shot at a BCS game, would they want to join a conference where they might have to go up against the likes of Texas and Oklahoma to reach the same game?

Also, does anybody know how the revenue splits go in conferences like the WAC or MWC?

Personally, I think if we move to an era of 16 team "super-conferences", we'll see the MWC and WAC split up between the Pac-10 and Big-12.

As for the Nebraska fan saying ISU wanted to join the Big 10... I really don't know. There were certainly ISU fans who wanted to see the Cyclones move to the Big10, but the school officials were definitely diplomatic about it. I think at the time, the major candidates to the Big10 were Nebraska and Missouri, and most people knew that unless the Big10 was jumping to 14 teams and ISU made a good argument, they weren't going to join the Big10 during the first wave of expansions.

(Source: Regents president releases statement on Iowa State’s conference position | GazetteOnline.com)
 
Would Tennessee ever leave the SEC for the Big XII? I understand you leave the prestige of the SEC, but they haven't won the SEC in a while. For most sports, it makes sense: football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball, etc. Football is the cash cow and represents most of the bottom line but everything down to academics seems to align.

Just a thought...
 
HFCS said:
As an ISU fan, I wish we had the football tradition, national fan following and national recognition that BYU football has.
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If BYU had the national fan following that you claim they do, I believe that their athletic revenue would be significantly higher $36,000,000 (i.e. Nebraska, Notre Dame, both who have large national followings, and who's revenue is upwards of $75,000,000). Please provide some evidence that BYU has a significant national fan following. Don't feel bad if you can't...nobody else who has made this claim has been able to provide any evidence either.

Into today's college FB economy, national fan following and national recognition don't mean diddly if they don't translate to revenue for the athletic department, and for the conference to which the team belongs.

Tornado man said:
I agree. It's comical to read the posts dismissing BYU. They averaged 64,200 - 27th in the nation - in football attendance last year, in a conference that had a pitiful average of 33,000 (that's with BYU factored in). ISU averaged almost 20,000 less - 46,000. And some are looking down on BYU?
Give me a break.
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BYU has great home attendance...so what? Home attendance doesn't necessitate a national audience or potential national revenue. How does that home attendance translate to revenue for the conference? If it won't appreciably increase conference revenue, then it is an irrelevant point in the conference expansion discussion.

If the addition of BYU will increase the revenue of the other ten Big 12 teams, they will be considered for expansion. Otherwise, it makes no sense to add them. There is no magic stability brought to a conference by having 12 or more teams. These days, stability is brought by money. If the Big 12 can negotiate a lucrative TV deal with only ten teams, then the conference will stay at ten teams. If it is determined that 12 or more teams are needed, then the conference will expand.
 
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CyForPresident said:
Like others have said, any team that is added needs to be a good fit for the Big 12 and increase the conference revenue. BYU would do that and fits the B12 culture/model. New Mexico, not so much.
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How does BYU increase the conference revenue for the other ten Big 12 teams? I agree that they could be a decent fit for the Big 12 "culture" and geography.
 
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jbhtexas said:
How does BYU increase the conference revenue for the other ten Big 12 teams? I agree that they could be a decent fit for the Big 12 "culture" and geography.
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Their TV capabilities (access to 60 million homes TODAY) and fan base would do it. Don't underestimate the LDS. They have a huge following out west.

Plus, BYU is the only option. 28 bowl games, 23 conferences championships, 17 seasons ranked in the top 25, 1 Heisman winner, and 1 national championship. There is NO ONE even close to that available besides ND. Adding BYU brings the B12 conference back to a position of power instead of a position of weakness. The perception around the B12 across the country is really bad right now, that needs to change if the B12 is gonna last.
 
CyForPresident said:
Their TV capabilities (access to 60 million homes TODAY) and fan base would do it. Don't underestimate the LDS. They have a huge following out west.
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In the new Big 12 model, BYU could/would retain this TV network for themselves, so I don't understand how it increases the existing conference revenue that the other ten teams are getting now. Would they turn it into a Big 12 network?

These TV capabilities can't presently be generating that much revenue if their total athletic department revenue is only at $36,000,000. As I mentioned before, they may have a huge LDS following, but it doesn't appear to be translating to $$$.
 
BYU said:
I was reading an interesting article, I thought I would post it here, and see what Cyclone fan's thought.

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Why The Big 12 Needs To Invite BYU | Bleacher Report
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Just browsed through this but I think people miss one very important thing. Texas is looking to start their own network. That was a big, big part of Texas staying with the Big 12. Because of that, they have maintained ownership of their TV rights and will not turn them over to anyone.
I could fully see Texas launching their own network and then the Big 12 piggybacking off that network muchlike the author suggests we do with BYU. Texas would them maintain a certain ownership and make money off the network. that would keep Texas content and provide a network for the conference.

That is not to slight BYU at all. They have been very successful and have a great fanbase. I do think their "national following" is overrated. BYU and one other team would need to bring in plenty of revenue to the Big 12 for it to make financial sense. Otherwise we are right back to where we were.
I guess the question will remain is BYU>Nebraska from a financial standpoint and would the other team>Colorado.

I see the argument that Air Force is > than CU but I don't agree. If that was the case than the Pac 10 would have grabbed them instead. Living on the Front Range, and Air Force is the third team behind CU and CSU.
 
jbhtexas said:
In the new Big 12 model, BYU could/would retain this TV network for themselves, so I don't understand how it increases the existing conference revenue that the other ten teams are getting now. Would they turn it into a Big 12 network?

These TV capabilities can't presently be generating that much revenue if their total athletic department revenue is only at $36,000,000. As I mentioned before, they may have a huge LDS following, but it doesn't appear to be translating to $$$.
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BYU-TV could co-air events that other stations might have. Say Texas-ISU volleyball is playing in Texas. The Longhorn Network would air it and BYU-TV could pick up the broadcast to generate more viewers. Hell, Clone Zone could get picked up too. I'm sure Texas would like all the help they can get on creating their own network too. BYU-TV is way ahead of where Bevo-TV is currently. Or like you said, if a B12 network was ever desired, BYU would be a huge help.

I actually view BYU's budget as a huge positive. They only get like $3 million per year from the MWC and are only around $10 million behind ISU. That means they are generating around $33 million by themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if BYU has the highest non-BCS budget. If BYU was in a BCS conference, their numbers would jump quickly.
 
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jbhtexas said:
In the new Big 12 model, BYU could/would retain this TV network for themselves, so I don't understand how it increases the existing conference revenue that the other ten teams are getting now. Would they turn it into a Big 12 network?

These TV capabilities can't presently be generating that much revenue if their total athletic department revenue is only at $36,000,000. As I mentioned before, they may have a huge LDS following, but it doesn't appear to be translating to $$$.
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Exactly.
 
If some don't know, BYU is pretty much in Salt Lake City for all practical t.v. viewing purposes. You get the majority of the state of Utah's population if you pick them up...just an FYI.
 
Here is a list of schools I would like to see in the big 12. Not that i believe it will happen.
BYU
Cinci
Arkansas
Utah
Louisville
Illinois
Kentucky
UNLV
New Mexico, New Mexico St.
If the Big 12 could give out good money why not invite these schools in?
 
jbhtexas said:
BYU has great home attendance...so what? Home attendance doesn't necessitate a national audience or potential national revenue. How does that home attendance translate to revenue for the conference? If it won't appreciably increase conference revenue, then it is an irrelevant point in the conference expansion discussion.

If the addition of BYU will increase the revenue of the other ten Big 12 teams, they will be considered for expansion. Otherwise, it makes no sense to add them. There is no magic stability brought to a conference by having 12 or more teams. These days, stability is brought by money. If the Big 12 can negotiate a lucrative TV deal with only ten teams, then the conference will stay at ten teams. If it is determined that 12 or more teams are needed, then the conference will expand.
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If each one of our fans had to bring a handful of wives and a dozen or more kids to go to a game we would fill up our stadium in a hurry too. :jimlad:

isuaggie said:
Signed,

Jerry "I've got the money & Power (and a huge ******* TV)" Jones
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I know it's just a joke, but Jerry can be a shrewd deal maker. If anyone could tip the balance he is a good one to have on your side. I'm sure having his Razorbacks play in conference championships games in JerryWorld is one of his wet dreams.
 
VeloClone said:
I know it's just a joke, but Jerry can be a shrewd deal maker. If anyone could tip the balance he is a good one to have on your side. I'm sure having his Razorbacks play in conference championships games in JerryWorld is one of his wet dreams.
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I wasn't really joking. I think IF (and that's a big if right now) the Big 12 wants to go back to twelve teams that BYU and Arkansas would be the top gets and Jerry Jones would play a big part in the ability to land Arkansas.
 
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headington said:
Here is a list of schools I would like to see in the big 12. Not that i believe it will happen.
BYU
Cinci
Arkansas
Utah
Louisville
Illinois
Kentucky
UNLV
New Mexico, New Mexico St.
If the Big 12 could give out good money why not invite these schools in?
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There would then be 19 teams in the Big 12...just sayin.
 
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