Bubu Appealing
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Let's get a few facts here.
1. Bubs was not found to be innocent of the charges. The charges were dropped; that only means that the prosecutor did not feel they had enough evidence to obtain a guilt verdict. Not saying he is guilty or innocent of the act, simply that the charges were dropped.
2. We do not know if the charges were dropped due to the false information provided by the victim, or for other reasons.
3. When the charges were dropped, and following a review and decision by the Office of Judicial Affairs, Buba was re-instated on the team and played since January, 2013
4. The decision by OJA was appealed by person or persons unknown and the decision was reversed. We do not know why the decision was reversed.
5. The standard for code of conduct violations are less than for court proceedings.
6. At ISU, student athletes are generally held to a higher standard of conduct than student non-athletes. There have been numerous examples of that in the past few years - football, basketball and wrestling.
6. Fred has used Buba judiciously in the past; he rarely started, but he earned significant minutes off the bench.
For brevity, I have left out a few other facts. But of the 11 pages that make up this thread, the majority of postings are full of supposition, outright guessing, or simply ignoring the facts.
Bubu has appealed. It is highly unlikely that the BOR will overturn Leath's decision. This is a distraction that a team seeking to come together as a single unit that can perform to the maximum of its talent did not need.
1. Bubs was not found to be innocent of the charges. The charges were dropped; that only means that the prosecutor did not feel they had enough evidence to obtain a guilt verdict. Not saying he is guilty or innocent of the act, simply that the charges were dropped.
2. We do not know if the charges were dropped due to the false information provided by the victim, or for other reasons.
3. When the charges were dropped, and following a review and decision by the Office of Judicial Affairs, Buba was re-instated on the team and played since January, 2013
4. The decision by OJA was appealed by person or persons unknown and the decision was reversed. We do not know why the decision was reversed.
5. The standard for code of conduct violations are less than for court proceedings.
6. At ISU, student athletes are generally held to a higher standard of conduct than student non-athletes. There have been numerous examples of that in the past few years - football, basketball and wrestling.
6. Fred has used Buba judiciously in the past; he rarely started, but he earned significant minutes off the bench.
For brevity, I have left out a few other facts. But of the 11 pages that make up this thread, the majority of postings are full of supposition, outright guessing, or simply ignoring the facts.
Bubu has appealed. It is highly unlikely that the BOR will overturn Leath's decision. This is a distraction that a team seeking to come together as a single unit that can perform to the maximum of its talent did not need.
You dilute your message about "facts" when you can't even get his name right three out of four tries...
Does that change the fact, that what he posted, is absolutely the correct opinion on the issue?
Hey, let him appeal. Sounds like you are choked up that he appealed against the ISU Prez. This is everyone for themselves and if Bubu wins the appeal, so be it. Whether he wins or not does not change that night whatever happened. Yet it can look better of he wins on Linked In.
Key word.
I don't know why anyone cares if he appeals or not but I see pretty much nothing but opinions. If somebody knows the facts he isn't posting on here.
I'm just shocked that we allowed Bubu to play 1v5 against Kentucky in the NCAA tournament. What was Fred thinking?
Those were facts he posted that has created his opinion....
Or do you not understand that?
It was a crazy strategy that ultimately cost us the game. If only Fred didn't have a soft spot for kids from Ames...
I must write my opinion of Bubu Palo. Mediocre at best. Plays scrappy, intense defense. Is a good spark of the bench at times, but has really been AVERAGE at best on offense pretty much his whole career. Bubu is also AVERAGE bringing the ball up the court as a point guard.
If the decision is not overturned I won't lose any sleep over it. In fact, I really hope that it doesn't. We are log-jammed at guard anyways
If the decision is not overturned I won't lose any sleep over it. In fact, I really hope that it doesn't. We are log-jammed at guard anyways
Actually, Im pretty sure we know that charges were dropped after a shirt the "victim" supplied to the prosecution was found to be torn after she washed it, and had previously claimed that she washed the shirt after the incident took place. More or less, it was found that the "victim" was fabricating evidence, and knowing that the defense would use this in court to establish reasonable doubt to the non-consent of the sex, the charges were dropped.
"For brevity, I have left out a few other facts. But of the 11 pages that make up this thread, the majority of postings are full of supposition, outright guessing, or simply ignoring the facts. "
It doesn't change whether or not he is correct, it simply tends to make people give his comments less credibility. Bubu's name would seem to be the easiest fact for any of us to get correct. It was an observation. Nothing more, nothing less.
And people make typos, nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't discount the validity of the post unless you want to be that spelling Nazi.
Sorry. I am a terrible typist and a worse proof reader. Don't think it changes the facts in the case, but you are right in calling me on the terrible typos!
"And people make typos, nothing more, nothing less. Doesn't discount the validity of the post unless you want to be that spelling Nazi."
Yes...you go ahead and run with that. Except, oddly enough, Bubu's name was the ONLY thing "typo'd". Strange...
I'm not a spelling Nazi. I just think you should get the man's name correct.
No facts about what happened that night...
I don't care if he appeals or not or is reinstated or not. Why? Because I don't know what happened. If I did I would have a strong opinion one way or the other.
Honestly, his facts are kind of weak and not really connected to the opinions he forms imo:
"1. Bubs was not found to be innocent of the charges. The charges were dropped; that only means that the prosecutor did not feel they had enough evidence to obtain a guilt verdict. Not saying he is guilty or innocent of the act, simply that the charges were dropped. "
True but same could be said for an acquittal only difference is in this case not enough evidence to charge vs. not enough evidence to convict. In both cases standard should be innocent until proven guity and he was not proven guilty.
"2. We do not know if the charges were dropped due to the false information provided by the victim, or for other reasons."
Well his lawyer stated the reason and the prosecuter did not dispute it thus we have no reason to think otherwise.
"3. When the charges were dropped, and following a review and decision by the Office of Judicial Affairs, Buba was re-instated on the team and played since January, 2013"
Has anyone said otherwise?
"4. The decision by OJA was appealed by person or persons unknown and the decision was reversed. We do not know why the decision was reversed. "
True, again nobody has said otherwise.
"5. The standard for code of conduct violations are less than for court proceedings."
We presume, but nobody has sited the offices's evidentiary standards. This is not a "known" fact imo. Also the office felt bubus case met that standard (whatever it was) and Leath did not. Those are the facts.
"6. At ISU, student athletes are generally held to a higher standard of conduct than student non-athletes. There have been numerous examples of that in the past few years - football, basketball and wrestling."
This is debatable, you could make the opposite argument just as easily. Certainly not a FACT.
"6. Fred has used Buba judiciously in the past; he rarely started, but he earned significant minutes off the bench."
True
Opinions:
"Bubu has appealed. It is highly unlikely that the BOR will overturn Leath's decision. "
Why? I do not know this. What in your "facts" leads you to believe this?
"This is a distraction that a team seeking to come together as a single unit that can perform."
Irrelevant.
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This is it in a nutshell. Everyone here that has a definitive position about whether he should or shouldn't be reinstated is wrong because nobody has all the facts. If he is truly innocent I hope he gets a favorable judgement. If he is guilty of sexual assault and did get off on a technicality I hope his name is further drug through the mud and at least a little justice is served to the victim. Time will tell whether it was "smart" or not.
It is probably safe to assume the President of Iowa State has access to information we don't have in making a judgement. Anyone who knows a victim who has been through a sexual assault knows that they become the accused and are drug through the mud in court. That is why most cases never come to a trial. I can understand the possibility of evidence being created by someone who is desperate after being attacked. Not saying it happened, but it might have. So unless any of us knows what actually happened, making a judgement on who did what is impossible. The evidence President Leath saw could be compelling. I really doubt he would make a judgement like this on a simple whim. But that is only my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own.