Not the only way, but after watching a game in the last 4 years there is no logical way you can come away and tell me Sam R belongs on the same field with Seneca or Sage. Sam R isnt even a top 10 guy at ISU. He isnt a Top 10 guy at UNI. Its just silly. And were speaking of ISU. Mentioning some perceived value outside of wins and loses is making everyone very NUMB.
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Not the only way, but after watching a game in the last 4 years there is no logical way you can come away and tell me Sam R belongs on the same field with Seneca or Sage. Sam R isnt even a top 10 guy at ISU. He isnt a Top 10 guy at UNI. Its just silly. And were speaking of ISU. Mentioning some perceived value outside of wins and loses is making everyone very NUMB.
I never said he was equal to Sage and Seneca, clearly Sam has the benefit of a different era of college football as mentioned. The comparison was to make a point that perception of Sam doesn't equal the football stats. I just don't think he is as awful as some make him out to be.
Two thoughts:
1. What are the YPA stats for those three guys? Isn't that the stat usually most correlated with winning? I would think Sam's would be worse - due in part to style of offense. Seemed like Sage was always bombing away.
So I looked it up (did math myself, sorry if errors)
Seneca 7.4 YPA
Sage 7.1 YPA
Meyer 6.7 ypa
Arnaud 6.6 ypa
Sam 6.3 YPA (career to date)
But in more detail
Sam 2013 6.4 ypa
Sam 2014 5.9 ypa
Sam 2015 7.1 ypa
I am stunned that stat is that high this year. Many think he has regressed (self included) but this would indicate he's much better. Some of that is short passes turned long by good receivers, but that is the system.
2. Coaching. Others mentioned confidence, the "IT factor", playing to win. Sam has not been coached to do ANY of that. It's never "go win the game Sam" it is always "don't eff it up kid". This is the mindset of our coaching staff in general IMHO, and it's the mindset of players as a result.
This is my opinion from outside looking in, looking at how the team and game is managed. The coaches just don't think we are good enough to just go play and win. So they overthink the offense, because we have to trick people since we are not good enough to just go run our stuff and succeed. The defense is bend-don't-break not because it's a good strategy against offensively-inept teams, but because we don't think we can actually stop anybody ourselves otherwise. We attempt FGs when down 17 because we fear we may never get back to the red zone again. When something bad happens, we're done, because everyone thinks they have to play a perfect game to win since we are not good enough otherwise.
This is the problem, and there's only one way to deal with it. And it's not Lanning, or Rohach, or DeLira, or even Seneca Wallace.
1. What are the YPA stats for those three guys? Isn't that the stat usually most correlated with winning? I would think Sam's would be worse - due in part to style of offense. Seemed like Sage was always bombing away.
So I looked it up (did math myself, sorry if errors)
Seneca 7.4 YPA
Sage 7.1 YPA
Meyer 6.7 ypa
Arnaud 6.6 ypa
Sam 6.3 YPA (career to date)
But in more detail
Sam 2013 6.4 ypa
Sam 2014 5.9 ypa
Sam 2015 7.1 ypa
I am stunned that stat is that high this year. Many think he has regressed (self included) but this would indicate he's much better. Some of that is short passes turned long by good receivers, but that is the system.
2. Coaching. Others mentioned confidence, the "IT factor", playing to win. Sam has not been coached to do ANY of that. It's never "go win the game Sam" it is always "don't eff it up kid". This is the mindset of our coaching staff in general IMHO, and it's the mindset of players as a result.
This is my opinion from outside looking in, looking at how the team and game is managed. The coaches just don't think we are good enough to just go play and win. So they overthink the offense, because we have to trick people since we are not good enough to just go run our stuff and succeed. The defense is bend-don't-break not because it's a good strategy against offensively-inept teams, but because we don't think we can actually stop anybody ourselves otherwise. We attempt FGs when down 17 because we fear we may never get back to the red zone again. When something bad happens, we're done, because everyone thinks they have to play a perfect game to win since we are not good enough otherwise.
This is the problem, and there's only one way to deal with it. And it's not Lanning, or Rohach, or DeLira, or even Seneca Wallace.
Okay, Im not mad at ya. I just think were past his stats at this point in time. Its not worked, and has gone on way to long. Sam may not have been awful with a different situation, or different coaches. But given the hand he was dealt, he has been awful. On Game Day he does not have it. I cant watch the game anymore, its ugly.
I'm still upset that he had the audacity to give up 766 yards to Tech last Saturday. As well as missing the kick against Toledo. And give up that last minute drive to Texas last year. And let that UNI RB torch us last year. Plus can you believe that, in his very first start, he personally knocked the ball out of Jeff Woody's hands after driving us down the field and putting us in position to tie the game late?
That's what it comes down to. The guy is fragile and has been since 2013. He's passive and lacks confidence, which is almost unheard of for a Division 1 QB. Even the bums on the team have irrational confidence, but nope, not our Big 12 starting QB. His body language says it all. When was the last time he looked like he was having fun? And the worst part is that while he may have cared about winning at one time, he doesn't anymore and hasn't since 2013.
When I read the stats, I wondered if I was looking at Arnaud, Richardson, and Meyer's numbers there.
This may have already been said but I'm in a hurry and not time to read it all.
Give Seneca or Sage the WR's that we have on this team especially with the offense we run currently and let's compare numbers.
SR is not in the same class as either of these guys if surrounded by the same talent in the same system.
Give Seneca or Sage the WR's that we have on this team especially with the offense we run currently and let's compare numbers.
SR is not in the same class as either of these guys if surrounded by the same talent in the same system.
I get that we are going to disagree on this and I'm not going to change your opinion. But I am still shocked by this.
Are you regretting writing this? Because your posts in this seem to be backing off your article quite a bit. I never got out of that article that the perception of Sam isn't fair due to his stats a simple post on a thread could have accomplished that...It came off as look, blind numbers he's as good as the greats. Brent, he has 5 wins as a starter. He's not good. Defending him is silly. If he is good and his stats are good would you have to write an article defending it? Most likely not.
If you needed to have something to write about, ranking the Qb's in Paul's era would have been a better route. I gave Birch the idea on Twitter yesterday and he thought that was a great idea, think he is already writing it though now.
Your comeback of wins are the only sign of measured value? You and I both know that's not true. Look at our RB, because we are not winning games does that mean he's not valued? Absolutely not, he passes the eye test though and you can tell he would be a stud on other teams also. When has Sam ever had a game that has popped out and said to you wow! What a stud! Texas last year? (Every blind squirrel finds a nut)
Basing things off of stats is silly. Some of those old Tech teams put up INSANE #'s on offense. Does that make those offenses the greatest of all time? Most likely not.
I'm sure Graham Harrell has better #'s than Winston and won games too, who is the better QB though....
At some point in time its not the X's and O's its the Joe's and it's time for him to sit.
I know you think you are a football guru because you get to go on the radio and talk about it..But most people don't have to be a TV chef to tell you food taste bad. Your opposite take and trying to go against the grain is admirable. But it doesn't shock me, you hangout and talk ball with Chris who said on Ken Millers show last year that Sam R. was a better QB than Trev Knight the week of the OU game. I bring it up to him on twitter and I get blocked :biglaugh: #HOTTAKE
So you're telling me a QB with a shoulder injury is more impacted by it than a QB with a leg injury? Weird. No one would ever expect that.
You can interpret what I wrote any way you'd like. I am certainly not back-tracking and don't regret what I wrote. And I don't claim to be a football guru by any means, just a guy that has an opinion, right or wrong. I like the discussion, although the jab at CW is a bit unnecessary.
But you just aren't accounting for the intangibles Brent. I mean the 766 yards he gave up against Tech, the kick he made miss against Toledo. I mean what about that Texas game last year when he gave up that long pass to set Texas up for the game winning field goal.
He's obviously the problem on this team. It's all the intangibles you just don't see that matter. If we have a different QB we have a different attitude, we won't miss field goals, give up tons of yards on defense and most certainly won't let the other team convert on 3rd and 30.
It's kind of funny that I am arguing so hard for Sam. I don't think he deserves to be permanently benched, but I do believe we are at a point now where we have nothing to lose, so why not let Lanning get some more snaps.
I'm just sick and tired of the dumb fan approach to "The Back-up QB is always the solution"
I don't like this coaching staff, I don't want them here next year, but I will give them credit enough to know, when their job is on the line, they should have the guy in there who they think is our best option to win. If Lanning really were the cure to all of our problems, I do believe he'd be playing.
It's such a tired cliche, it makes my eyes hurt reading it. I do personally believe you can ruin a QB by putting them in to early. Everyone talks about Sam's confidence and swagger. Do we want Lanning being beat down the same way? Just seeing what CPR has done with QBs since he got here, I'm not confident they have the ability to coach a QB up. It seems once they get beaten and are down, that's where they stay.
Yes, at the end of the day a QB's worth is judged by his wins and losses, there is the "gamer" factor. But nothing any QB could bring to the table right now is going to pull this team out of the funk they are in. The solution is to bench CPR and let someone else show how they can handle this team. If we are talking about failure here, it starts at the top.
At this point we do not have too many chess pieces to move. The defense may have one or two changes. The offense basically has the qb that could be changed. The coaching staff is fixed. So look like our next move is to replace the qb in order to try to win.
Sadly, if he makes a few easy throws to keep drives going, we don't give up as many yards. He has been his defenses worst enemy for years. You don't think an efficient offense can make the defense look better?
i'm a Beucker fan. How good was he? Maybe KHAAL needs to weigh in. We use to be able to win with 30 points. Now we might need 50 or more to win. We need a B12 offense.
The facilities, university, and fan base are all things that cannot be easily fixed that are all 5+. The coaching staff and many of the players (whether it be due to coaching, talent, or just their own drive/mentality) are 2's at best. Those are things that can be easily changed.
Sam Richardson cannot accurately throw to our receiving corp who should be in the top of the league this year.
SR goes
SR goes