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BLUM: Let's make a QB deal

Look at the Yards/Game stat. Sam is almost on par with Yards/Game as two QB's who didn't run the spread offense, who didn't pass the ball 30+ times per game!

This is comparing apples to oranges to pears. You cannot compare numbers alone, when each ran an entirely different offense.
 
Cyclone1985 said:
Look at the Yards/Game stat. Sam is almost on par with Yards/Game as two QB's who didn't run the spread offense, who didn't pass the ball 30+ times per game!

This is comparing apples to oranges to pears. You cannot compare numbers alone, when each ran an entirely different offense.
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Seneca averaged 28 passes per game. Sage 27 passes per game. Sam 31. Sure the offenses were different, but Seneca and Sage didn't run the triple-option .
 
I kind of want Lanning just because I think with Mike Warren's surge we should be using a run-base system (if our o-line can keep up the serviceable run blocking) and I think Lanning is a better QB to be running a lot of zone reads than Sam at this point.
 
brentblum said:
Seneca averaged 28 passes per game. Sage 27 passes per game. Sam 31.
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No kidding!? Too young to remember.

What really differentiates these guys is Wallace and Sage were gamers. They took their chances, they made the big throws, they made the tough third down plays -- Sam is missing that part of his game. Sure they made mistakes along the way, but they at least game their team a CHANCE to win. Sam doesn't give this team a chance to win, he gives us a chance to keep it within 3 touchdowns.
 
Our third down conversion percentage is actually a fairly respectable .410 this season, which puts us 55th out of 127 FBS teams. Not amazing, but decent.
 
I admittedly skimmed the posts, so someone else might have pointed out that Seneca and Sage (who is my favorite QB at ISU of all time) did play in a much easier league. Big 12 North anyone? In the end it might be "all about the W's" but Sam has had to play every team, every year... not so much for Sage or Seneca. I'm not saying Sam is a great QB, or even a particularly good one, but his competition has been a lot steeper. Blum is right, it's not fair to blame Sam for all our struggles, anymore than it was to give all the credit to Sage and Seneca. Heck you can't even give the credit for our few wins with Troy Davis running all to Troy Davis... ok, you can probably give most of it... just not all.
 
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Cyclone1985 said:
.... they made the big throws, they made the tough third down plays -- ......
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Third down is what defined Seneca. I almost hoped for third and long because we would get to see him do his thing. Also remember us yelling on first and second down--"Roll him out!", which of course Mac didn't do enough, IMHO.

With Sam on third down, it's- "I hope his primary is wide open." Still think the call on 3rd and 7 , 4th quarter of the Iowa game was a poor play call because it did not play to Sam's strengths.
 
CTTB78 said:
Third down is what defined Seneca. I almost hoped for third and long because we would get to see him do his thing. Also remember us yelling on first and second down--"Roll him out!", which of course Mac didn't do enough, IMHO.

With Sam on third down, it's- "I hope his primary is wide open." Still think the call on 3rd and 7 , 4th quarter of the Iowa game was a poor play call because it did not play to Sam's strengths.
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Just for fun, Iowa State was 42% on 3rd down in 2002 (Seneca's last year), Iowa State was 42% on 3rd down last year, and 41% this year.
 
brentblum said:
Just for fun, Iowa State was 42% on 3rd down in 2002 (Seneca's last year), Iowa State was 42% on 3rd down last year, and 41% this year.
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FWIW, KU, arguably the worst team in the country is also 41%. Cozart also completes passes at about the same % as Sammy.
 
To quote someone from WRNL a while back...

"Sam Richardson is the textbook example of how to lie with statistics."
 
tay2015 said:
Plays it safe? He couldn't throw a ball out of bounds on purpose without it getting picked last week. (No arm strength)

Kansas this year is the worst D1 football team in recent years correct? The kid threw 2 picks against them at home! One for a pick 6! Serious question, how many INT's does the KU def. have all year? (IDK maybe this stat will blow up in my face and they are a INT machine) How many points have their D scored? I bet Sam is the only one who helped him out.

I laughed after reading Paul's quote about him being banged up and that's why having a bad game Saturday. This ain't a intramural game brother, it's middle of college football season, everyone is banged up and hurt, but are you injured? The Tech QB was more banged up and whipped that ball around. He is 50 times more talented than Sam. Of all the teams we have and will play this year Sam would start for KU and possibly UNI (IDK if Farley would put up with the inaccuracy as long as Paul has had) Not a dig at Sam but more about our recruiting.

I laughed/face palmed after this article. Stop making excuses for players, to fit your narrative or feel better. This is Big 12 football, the players signed up for this and if they aren't getting the job done it's time to move on. I don't know if comparing ISU players in a vacuum is the best idea either. Let's compare against other Big 12 teams. (not stats, W/L)

Contrary to popular belief it's not personal. (I know that's the hot take right now, "the kid is bleeding for ISU support him" I'm not saying he's not, just that it's not getting the job done the past 2 years.) He's just not and never has been an average Big 12 QB. Once, again I don't know if we have one on the roster, they may be worse, but it's time to give them the control of the whole game.
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Did it ever occur to you or anyone for that matter that maybe the reason CPR doesn't sit SR and give the others experience for next season, is that he knows there is a better than even chance he may not be here next season?
 
42% doesn't matter if you are only converting outside of the red zone. Sam was a decent qb. I think injuries and terrible coaching are what happened to him. I let him finish out if they don't think the other two are better options. This is all entirely the fault of the coaches. Terrible games plans, terrible game management, and terrible attention to detail.
 
brentblum said:
Just for fun, Iowa State was 42% on 3rd down in 2002 (Seneca's last year), Iowa State was 42% on 3rd down last year, and 41% this year.
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The Seneca that most people are remembering was the successful playmaker. The games before Oklahoma 2002. We were extremely efficient on offense and in the top 2 in nearly every single offensive category through the first 7 games with victories over iowa, Nebraska, Texas tech, and a few more blowout wins.
 
brentblum said:
Just for fun, Iowa State was 42% on 3rd down in 2002 (Seneca's last year), Iowa State was 42% on 3rd down last year, and 41% this year.
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Certain stats are somewhat meaningless unless you can apply time and situation.
I mean if you are getting blown out by 30 and playing a 4th team D, would hope the conversion rate on 3rd down would be higher. (And yes I know Sam does not play Defense but point still stands.)

Pretty easy question really if the game was on the line and you needed to make a 1st down who would want Sam or Seneca?
 
UNIGuy4Cy said:
Two of those quarterbacks were NFL quarterbacks, one won't be. There is something about a quarterback, you have to have confidence and play with an edge, two of those quarterbacks had that, one of those doesn't. SR reminds me a lot of a Jay Cutler, while both are good people, neither have that leadership ability you need in a quarterback.
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SR does not remind me of a STARTING NFL QB, sorry.
 
Sam has more playmakers on offense around him than Sage or Seneca ever did, yet has 1 Big 12 win as a starter in his career...Does Sam inspire confidence in anyone at all?...Seneca and Sage were leaders that you wanted to let make a play when the game was on the line.
 
In an offense with Warren, Bundrage, Lazard, Montgomery, and a QB that we are evidently comparing to Sage and Seneca (two proven winners), I would like to see us be able to put some points on the board.

20points in a 2ot game against a MAC school and then not knowing better than taking a sack with the game on the line does NOT inspire confidence.
 
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silvercybone said:
I admittedly skimmed the posts, so someone else might have pointed out that Seneca and Sage (who is my favorite QB at ISU of all time) did play in a much easier league. Big 12 North anyone? In the end it might be "all about the W's" but Sam has had to play every team, every year... not so much for Sage or Seneca. I'm not saying Sam is a great QB, or even a particularly good one, but his competition has been a lot steeper. Blum is right, it's not fair to blame Sam for all our struggles, anymore than it was to give all the credit to Sage and Seneca. Heck you can't even give the credit for our few wins with Troy Davis running all to Troy Davis... ok, you can probably give most of it... just not all.
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In 2002, Seneca played against the following teams (final AP rank in parentheses):

9-5 Florida State (21)
11-2 Iowa (8)
12-2 Oklahoma (5)
11-2 Texas (6)
11-2 Kansas State (7)
12-1 Boise State (15)
9-5 Colorado (20)
9-5 Texas Tech (27)

That's 8 teams that won 9 games or more. Total W/L for those teams is 84-24 or a win % of .777

And we still won 7 games that year against a brutal schedule. The next year we returned 40 of the top 48 players on the depth chart (I can still see the headlines from the AD reminding us of that all offseason) and promptly went 2-10 (0-8).

That team won games because of Seneca. Period. The truth is that the 2002 team wasn't very good, but Seneca, who was spectacular, made them look pretty decent, if not great at times.

I agree with Blum that SBR isn't a bum by any means. But he's pretty average to below average. At ISU, that's just not good enough to win.
 
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