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BLUM: Let's make a QB deal

brentblum said:
Glad this created some discussion, which was the goal. And no I am not saying Sam is as good as Sage or Seneca. Again, appreciate everyone's thoughts.
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Thanks for providing content, however I think you kind of were (trying to say Sam is not bad) and are starting to back track after realizing the silliness of the article.

I think you were (the style of the article, blind comparison, helps the argument) trying to go for, "HA! see our best QB's in history have had similar/worse stats than Sam!"

If I did a blind comparison of Dennis Dixon, Terry Bradshaw, and Brady Quinn in their college years the stats are going to lie about who was the best due to times, systems, and talent. The thing that is not, is wins. Sam is not a winner. I know you can make the argument the team is not a winner but if we are going to go down, why not see what we have? Sam has had a few great throws in his career. However, a ton of bad ones. Remember the TD pass to Bibbs in the endzone against Iowa? Watch him only and the receivers many of times the WR's have nobody in a 4 yard radius around them, and he throws an inaccurate ball causing them to regroup and then go. Wonder why are receivers have a lot of amazing catches (one hander against Iowa this year?) it's because the ball is thrown so badly, not becuase he's dropping them in the breadbasket.

I'm not ripping on Sam, I wish he was a Heisman candidate. I'm not saying Grant or Joel is going to even be better, hell they might be worse. But I called for a change at the end of last year at QB I've seen enough. Rhoad's biggest failure is to recruit and develop a QB, it will be the downfall of his tenure.
 
Those stats don't account for the times he sits in the pocket for seven years and get sacked. If there's one thing I agree with Skip Bayless on, it's the use of the eye test. He's clearly lost all confidence and just looks like he doesn't want to be out there.
 
tay2015 said:
Thanks for providing content, however I think you kind of were (trying to say Sam is not bad) and are starting to back track after realizing the silliness of the article.

I think you were (the style of the article, blind comparison, helps the argument) trying to go for, "HA! see our best QB's in history have had similar/worse stats than Sam!"

If I did a blind comparison of Dennis Dixon, Terry Bradshaw, and Brady Quinn in their college years the stats are going to lie about who was the best due to times, systems, and talent. The thing that is not, is wins. Sam is not a winner. I know you can make the argument the team is not a winner but if we are going to go down, why not see what we have? Sam has had a few great throws in his career. However, a ton of bad ones. Remember the TD pass to Bibbs in the endzone against Iowa? Watch him only and the receivers many of times the WR's have nobody in a 4 yard radius around them, and he throws an inaccurate ball causing them to regroup and then go. Wonder why are receivers have a lot of amazing catches (one hander against Iowa this year?) it's because the ball is thrown so badly, not becuase he's dropping them in the breadbasket.

I'm not ripping on Sam, I wish he was a Heisman candidate. I'm not saying Grant or Joel is going to even be better, hell they might be worse. But I called for a change at the end of last year at QB I've seen enough. Rhoad's biggest failure is to recruit and develop a QB, it will be the downfall of his tenure.
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Fair enough and you are correct, I am saying Sam is not bad. I think Sam is average. Appreciate your input.
 
Excellent read as always, Blum.

Here's where I'm at - I don't think Richardson is terrible (like you, I think he's average). However, if we have another game this weekend like we had at TT, and Richardson plays like he did, why not make a change? Just see what we have. Sam's gone after this year, and this year is now lost, so I say give Lanning a chance. If only to get some valuable experience to build on for next year.
 
SerenityNow said:
Excellent read as always, Blum.

Here's where I'm at - I don't think Richardson is terrible (like you, I think he's average). However, if we have another game this weekend like we had at TT, and Richardson plays like he did, why not make a change? Just see what we have. Sam's gone after this year, and this year is now lost, so I say give Lanning a chance. If only to get some valuable experience to build on for next year.
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I agree and I think you will see Lanning get more and more PT and I'd be great with that. I just don't think Sam is the bum that many make him out to be.
 
My problem with SR is that he plays safe:
- Typically doesn't throw to receivers in a location that they can make the next move for yards after catch
- Typically doesn't throw to receivers that aren't wide open

He plays in manner that values higher completion %/fewer interceptions rather than a QB that wants to move the ball down field and succeed.
 
norcalcy said:
Agreed. A bunch of things that are just out of synch. Rhoads is the anti-Harbaugh. He makes the sum of the whole less than the value of the individual pieces. Total dysfunction last Saturday. Sam is part of it, but the buck stops with the people who have six and seven figure incomes. ISU has the talent right now to be a 6-6 team. It does not have the coaching.
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Bill Snyder could be in this place too...actually almost more so since Michigan has a lot of talent. Either way, you have coaches that see what they have, and do what works, and stick to it. The result? Relative success.

Perhaps there's more going on there, but it looked like KSU ran about 5 different plays on offense last week. They just ran them REALLY well and repeated as necessary when things went well.

I'm sure I'm wrong, but ISU sometimes looks they pull out a certain type of play just because they haven't ran it in a while.
 
agcy68 said:
My problem with SR is that he plays safe:
- Typically doesn't throw to receivers in a location that they can make the next move for yards after catch
- Typically doesn't throw to receivers that aren't wide open

He plays in manner that values higher completion %/fewer interceptions rather than a QB that wants to move the ball down field and succeed.
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I agree that he plays safe, but remember when he was a freshmen and Jantz had issues with turnovers? Barnett was not a good passer and struggled with completion percentages. When Sam played freshmen year, the coaches wanted someone who would not turn the ball over, which he did. My guess is that the coaches instilled in him early in his career to be cautious with the ball which has probably held him back.
 
brentblum said:
I agree and I think you will see Lanning get more and more PT and I'd be great with that. I just don't think Sam is the bum that many make him out to be.
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All we care at this point is a qb who can make plays to take advantage of the most athletic receivers and one of the finest running backs we have had. If the points do not go on the board, the qb is the main chess piece that did not make it happen. Play wildcat, run all day, do bubble screens out the yazoo, just win and score. We want better results. TT had a terrible defense and we should have done better.
 
Sam has the skills, his issue are 100% mental. He looks like he has no confidence, most of the time his body language looks like there is someplace he'd rather be. I'm not sure he ever had the intagibles (decision making, pocket presence, leadership skills) to be a great college qb but once upon a time he looked the part. IMO he was done last year, injuries turned him into a gun shy QB who never got a grasp on MM's offense, his decision making regressed,he's got happy feet and now he struggles to make easy throws.
 
He pretty much missed on all his passes and mostly behind people. Luckily we have receivers able to make some catches. He hunches his shoulders many times and just does not seem full of zip. When he ran in the past, he was a threat. This year is is not a threat running. Having a happy rusher next to him, he should be doing better this year. He may be a basket case at this point. He will need to show lots more flare and fire against TCU or Paul will get fired.
 
SCNCY said:
I agree that he plays safe, but remember when he was a freshmen and Jantz had issues with turnovers? Barnett was not a good passer and struggled with completion percentages. When Sam played freshmen year, the coaches wanted someone who would not turn the ball over, which he did. My guess is that the coaches instilled in him early in his career to be cautious with the ball which has probably held him back.
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Plays it safe? He couldn't throw a ball out of bounds on purpose without it getting picked last week. (No arm strength)

Kansas this year is the worst D1 football team in recent years correct? The kid threw 2 picks against them at home! One for a pick 6! Serious question, how many INT's does the KU def. have all year? (IDK maybe this stat will blow up in my face and they are a INT machine) How many points have their D scored? I bet Sam is the only one who helped him out.

I laughed after reading Paul's quote about him being banged up and that's why having a bad game Saturday. This ain't a intramural game brother, it's middle of college football season, everyone is banged up and hurt, but are you injured? The Tech QB was more banged up and whipped that ball around. He is 50 times more talented than Sam. Of all the teams we have and will play this year Sam would start for KU and possibly UNI (IDK if Farley would put up with the inaccuracy as long as Paul has had) Not a dig at Sam but more about our recruiting.

I laughed/face palmed after this article. Stop making excuses for players, to fit your narrative or feel better. This is Big 12 football, the players signed up for this and if they aren't getting the job done it's time to move on. I don't know if comparing ISU players in a vacuum is the best idea either. Let's compare against other Big 12 teams. (not stats, W/L)

Contrary to popular belief it's not personal. (I know that's the hot take right now, "the kid is bleeding for ISU support him" I'm not saying he's not, just that it's not getting the job done the past 2 years.) He's just not and never has been an average Big 12 QB. Once, again I don't know if we have one on the roster, they may be worse, but it's time to give them the control of the whole game.
 
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tay2015 said:
I laughed/face palmed after this article. Stop making excuses for players, to fit your narrative or feel better. This is Big 12 football, the players signed up for this and if they aren't getting the job done it's time to move on. I don't know if comparing ISU players in a vacuum is the best idea either. Let's compare against other Big 12 teams. (not stats, W/L)
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So W/L is the only thing that can be used to measure value? Got it.
 
Stats are why NFL GMS come out losers.

I can show you 4 BYU Qbs, 4 University of Hawaii QBs and a bevy of Texas Tech QBs with stats that make Aaron Rodgers College Career below average. Stats do not make you a Leader, or a winner. 1 win in the Big12 with weak defenses in 4 years as a starter is the only thing that needs to be looked at. Mentioning Sam R in a conversation with Seneca or Sage is laughable.
 
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