So were those playerss "developed" or were they just quality players in the first place?
In other words what is the point of your post? Does getting 4 star highly recuited players to the NFL mena they were greatly developed?
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In other words what is the point of your post? Does getting 4 star highly recuited players to the NFL mena they were greatly developed?
And some schools hire coaches to mentor these young kids who end up working them so hard that they have permanent kidney damage. And then give that "mentor" an assistant coach of the year award. Which school should be ashamed again?
I would say they were developed. 3 of those guys came in at different positions and were "developed" into NFL players at a different position.
Steinbach-came in as a tight end and was "developed" into a NFL offensive lineman
Ballard-came in at tight end and was "developed" into a NFL defensive lineman
Reiff-came in has a defensive lineman and is being developed as a first round draft choice on the offensive line.
So yeah, Id say Iowa does a decent job at development.
Ballard was projected as a DT or OL in college. iowa recruited hinm as a TE only in order to secure him. Georgia wanted him as a DL and he told them no. It kinda reminds me of how CPR is recruiting "QBs".
don't get me wrong, I think iowa does a good job of developing players but listing multiple offer,4 star guys as examples of development isn't exactly great evidnece. Listing guys like Clark, Klug, King, Kroul, Humpal, Klinkenborg, etc are better examples.
Again, for every 2 star guy that they developed, there is a 4 star guy that was ho hum or never panned out. Even some 5 star guys that wash out I am always surprised at how many 4 star guys iowa has had in the past. I was always under the impression that they took 3 star guys and made them NFL guys.
Probably the best "development" they do is with guys/athletes that come in at TE and LB and grow them to DL and OL.
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Who has permanent kidney damage?
Oh , wait. This is like the 'Kirk Ferentz covered up a rape' thing. You choose to believe things that are not true because the truth hurts too much.
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Wow, this post from the king of the never admit to facts club. Did kirkie ever let the police know that there was an "alleged" RAPE? Especially interesting in light of the FACT that they were removed from the team for it, showing that he knew what happened. Did kirkie order DJK to move into the RAPE room? Did kirkie ever stop DJK from cleaning the room because it was a CRIME scene?
Funny stuff. I would suggest that the next time some crime goes down, you go to the scene and destroy all of the evidence. See what happens to you.
And to this deluded "person" you are awsome. You are a PERFECT representative of that fan base. Since you are on to coaches, I will ask your dumb ***, it ok that the "students" committed the act, but the "adult coaches" covered everything up for them?
I am sure that this will get a really intelligent response.
Actually, your buddy there is the one throwing stones at ISU for having bad "mentors". Glass houses.
Always entertaining to hear from the tinfoil hat constituent.
pssst....I think 'kirkie' might have Obama's real birth certificate too. Pass it on. :wacko::goofy:
No one knows if anyone will have permanent kidney damage. Nor do we know what to believe. KF told us that everyone was back to working out then 2-3 weeks later, we hear from a player that he hasn't been working out. So I don't think anyone can say for certain that anyone does or does not have permanent kidney damage. Besides, someone could lose kidney function and still lead a normal lif. As far as the rape goes, KF did give the rapists a good recommendation. That alone makes the guy a POS. Anyone that says, "These are good kids that made a mistake. I would take them back if I could. There will be no charges filed" When discussing two rapists that raped a girl as she was passed out, left her to bleed, and left her to be scarred for the rest of her life....well...he is a POS. Sorry but the fact that he gave the rapists a good recommendation is disgusting.
Let's look at how this thread has gone...
- hok fan posts a hok blog stating that iowa is one of the best at developing NFL talent
- decent debate
- delusional makes a derogatory comment about ISU's coaches
- Debate contniues
- thread turns into crap
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It doesn't matter what thread it is. It's always the same anyway. And I'm not trying to suggest that all Cyclone fans fit into my statement. But if you don't think there is a significant portion of them then your are deluding yourself. As someone who is around Clone fans constantly, I rarely hear about ISU's strengths or what they do well. Only about Iowa's negatives. I think that says a lot.
You still haven't taken that remedial English class yet? And I think it is hilarious...absolutely hilarious....that you quote me in your text and then DON'T SAY ONE THING ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM. I love it. You're probably one of those clones who know more players on Iowa's roster than your own.
And nothing got covered up. You can keep trying to convince yourself if you want. I would suggest learning the names of some of your players first.
I have linked it a few times. On my phone right now so I can't but just Google "satterfield Lou Tepper Iowa recommendation" that should get you about five links to it. There is really good article where tepper goes into greater detail but I have had a hard time finding it. It was a local newspaper article and it might not be in their system anymore. Also it is in the Iowa investigative report that athletic officials persuaded/encouraged the victim to report it internally instead of going to the cops. kf was one of those people. Another reason kf is a POS. I am sorry but rape is a disgusting crime. The victim suffers for the rest of their life. meanwhile, because the u of i got involved and messed things up, the two rapists walk without even being put on the sexual predator list.
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Not sure who you hang around but they are idiots. Being realistic though, when discussing ones rivals, it usually becomes a rip fest about the other team.
The 3 coaches (I'll just assume KF was one) gave that recommendation because they felt he was not guilty of rape. The judicial system also determined he was not guilty of rape.
If they felt he was guilty he would not have been given the recommendation. Why would they risk a media backlash just to help some kid get on another football team unless they really felt that way? If KF is as Machiavellian as you believe, what purpose would that serve?
Ask DJK and the NFL GMs that asked KF about him. He became persona non grata after his embarrassing arrest for drugs. I'm not saying he was a guaranteed future NFL star, but he definitely would have been drafted by someone if KF went to bat for him like he did with Clayborn's N-word cabbie slap.
Now, I know I'm not going to convince you otherwise because it's just easier for so many people over here to believe Ferentz is some sort of Dark Lord of the East or something, but do you really think KF is not ok with drugs, but is ok with rape? Do you really think he is as morally reprehensible as Randy Brown?
Really?
EDIT: Just for the record, I stopped attending basketball games in protest when Alford let Pierre P. back on the team after his red-shirt-assisted one year 'suspension' and did not attend another until he was gone. These 2 guys never played again for Iowa, which means KF did exactly what he should have done.
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If you choose to ignore the facts then fine. I am not saying that he covered anything up. I am saying that he gave a couple rapists (and say what you want, they are rapists one admitted to as much for a plea bargain) a recommendation. Again, there was another article out there, I believe from a smaller newspaper that Tepper went into greater detail. At the time of the event, and the recommendation, the girl had confided in many u of i officials that she was raped(including kf). Many u of i officials(including kf), encouraged her not to report it to police but to report it internally. Football players continued to harrass the girl. Those are the facts. You can read them in the report if you want to. The u of i screwed up and they handled it wrong. They admit as much so I am not sure why you can't.
If you think that the staff thought they were innocent,and that was why they gave the recommendation then why did they suspend them? Why encourage them to transfer? Correct me if I am wrong but they never actually kicked them off the team, the two POS just transferred. Why not try and keep them on the team if they did nothing wrong? Either they thought they did something wrong and wanted them gone or they thought they were innocent and then there was no reason to suspend them or have them transfer. We know kf has no issue letting the court system play out and allowing kids to continue playing, so why not let them play if he felt they were innocent?
What media backlash risk are you talking about? That is hilarious. Have you ever seen any backlash from the media for the staff giving these two a recommendation? Heck you didn't even know about it and had to have me provide a link. Yeah, kf was worried about media backlash when he gave these guys a reccommendation. that is freakig hilarious. The local media never ever gives kf any backlash and until the rhabdo incident, neither did the national media. Media backlash...at least you are living up to the first part of your name.
I don't really care how kf has handled everything else. I will give hok fans crap about it just for giggles because I think it is funny. Really the whole scene in iowa ****** is the same. The football player issues are more a reflection of the envirnonment than anything. It is a party school and with a party school come alcohol and drug arrests. I don't think kf is the Dark Lord of the east...blah, blah, blah. How kf and the u of i handled the rape was disgusting. The investigation showed they screwed up, they admitted they screwed up. Encouraging a girl not to report a rape, just to protect a couple of POS makes you a POS in my mind. kirk frerentz is a POS for how he handled the rape. You can choose to ignore what the investigation found you can choose to ignore the facts. I know that ferentz is a POS. I say that as a father of two daughters and a guy that dated a girl that was raped. I understand the long time affects. Think about this...is that girl still attending the u of i? Is she still running track there? Or has her life forever been changed? Did she have to see here attackers everyday because the u of i didn't report the rape? Did she have to take verbal abuse from football players because nothing was done? Those are all things you can read in the u of i investigation. I suggest you read it as it might open your eyes.
As far as Randy Brown...is he still a coach at ISU? I think Brown is a POS as well. Sick bastard. Thing is he never coached a day at ISU after he was vetted. It isn't like ISU officials knew about what he was doing and turned a blind eye and unless, they were to really dive into one's personal life, there is no way they could find out. In the end, he resigned(forced) and was gone.
And no, you won't convince me that ferentz is not a POS. It is obvious that I am more well read on how the rape incident was handled then you are considering you were missing some very important facts.
As far as DJK, the DJK/ferentz relationship was rocky before the drug arrest. That has been documented. djk has said as much.
And yes, I think kf is as morally reprehensible as Randy Brown. You see I have no issue admitting Randy Brown is a POS. His actions have proven as much. So have ferentz's actions.
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Be correct on what you are saying. The victim did meet with UI officials, but not with KF individually. He never encouraged her to not press charges or to handle the matter internally. The week the incident was reported, KF met with both players, then met with them again when he discovered they had been lying about where they were on the night of the incident. At that point, the players were suspended and never again involved in any Iowa football activities.
As far as the recommendation to other programs, don't you think it was in the best interest of everyone involved to get both players away from Iowa and into another program as quickly as possible? Remember, at this time the law enforcement portion of the case was still ongoing. Had KF bad-mouthed either player to a coach of a school they wanted to transfer to, the players may have had reason to sue KF or the school for blocking their opportunity to continue their education. In my mind, it was wise to get them out and on to another program.
There were screw-ups in this case, the most notable being that there existed an "internal option" for discipline in the first place. That was/is asinine.
You of course are entitled to your opinion as to whether or not KF is a POS. We disagree.
I guess that I don't understand why you continually bring up Randy Brown. That was over 10 years ago. The guy earned the job he had at ISU. And when it was found out what he was doing, he was fired. I don't know what else ISU could have done in that situation other than fire the guy and move on. At least he wasn't given an "Assistant Coach of the Year" award.