Here is a good article about the best and worst developmental football programs in college football.
Best and Worst Developmental Football Programs
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Why would you possibly think that we would care about that? BTW, "articles" are written by media members, not fan-run websites. Besides, there's one huge flaw in that thinking: Recent past does not guarantee future results. It's nice that hok fan went to all that work to try to sway recruits away from the Big 12. But it's meaningless moving forward. Things change, coaching staffs change, systems change, recruiting and results are cyclical. Texas is moving away from the spread. Michigan will get better eventually and iowa and tOSU will have down years and coaching changes at some point. Not to mention a brand new TV contract putting every single game on TV will not hurt Big 12 coaches getting the players they want. I really hope you are enjoying your program's glory years. I know that I wish I would have enjoyed that 1999-2000 ISU MBB season more that I did.
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Tell that to Blake Larson, Chris Felder, and so on
Considering how many highly ranked players at Iowa have also done nothing, it says more about the young men that got drafted, and recruiting than it does development.
Considering how many highly ranked players at Iowa have also done nothing, it says more about the young men that got drafted, and recruiting than it does development.
ozzie8, please stop making up multiple screen names. You're just clogging the board with 2X the weak stuff you usually bring.
Put your thinking cap on, wipe your nose, and come with something clever and original.
While true I think you are missing the point, for every Blake Larson that doesn't make it to the NFL from Iowa is 3 or 4 Bob Sanders or Dallas Clarks of the world who had either none or a select few offers that do make it after leaving Iowa.
Apparently you do enough to visit the Instate Rivals section, open up said topic that is clearly by an Iowa fan, take time to read through it, and finally respond to one of the comments.
This stuff isn't that complicated.
I didn't realize I was responding to you so if you don't give a **** then move along.
I think it shows a commitment by Iowa to provide high quality coaching for the kids that play for the UoI.
Some schools, unfortunately, seem to not care much about the quality of the people they hire to mentor these young kids.
They hire coaches that sleep with the coeds...
Or drink and drive...
Or maybe even have kiddie porn on their computers...
A school like that should be ashamed.
Some schools, unfortunately, seem to not care much about the quality of the people they hire to mentor these young kids.
They hire coaches that sleep with the coeds...
Or drink and drive...
Or maybe even have kiddie porn on their computers...
A school like that should be ashamed.
Terrific post here bred.
You wonder why the u has a hated fanbase. It is people that are so insecure they come to a rival's website, and make up a funny name, and defend all of the illegal activity that has happened under the scum's watch.
Speaking of shame, it is pretty apparent that you don't have any.
Now run along back to your little boards and brag about how you really stood up to those mean ol' Iowa State fans.
To the op, this is NOT an article written by a respected media member. It is a fan blog. The fact that you don't seem to understand this, and use this as a source of gospel speaks highly of your perspective, and intelligence.
Scott, you are right about this. kirkie the scum, and his staff have shown that they can develop players on the field. That is how he built that program from the ashes that fry left.
I don't think that anyone has ever disputed that. If they have then they are wrong.
The problem is not that acknowledgement, it is that some moped posted that on a rival's site. That "article" should be posted on the u sites, so you all can praise your hero.
It is funny that all of the issues that have been reported are all the media's fault, but this is fine. Funny stuff.
I don't know why you are getting mad at me for suggesting it's a good thing that a university thoroughly vet their coaching hires. How many DUIs is that in a month? U of I didn't hire Randy Brown to work with vulnerable teens. At least the mistakes and bad decisions on the Iowa campus are made by students. Is it a money issue? Can ISU simply not afford the quality coaches and thus has to take chances on shady characters?
Chris Felder was not highly ranked..
What is the point of posting such embarrassing stuff?
You have to actually get big time recruits on your campus to have "busts"
For every Blake Larson (whose career was cut short by a knee injury) there's a Matt Roth (very highly recruited)
Riley Reiff? Looks like he's on his way to being a 1st rounder
Adrian Clayborn? 1st round draft pick (very heavily recruited)
Christian Ballard? Draft pick (4 star)
Eric Steinbach? Heavily recruited 4 star TE and early round draft pick
Need I go on?
One thing I didn't care for in that article was using the recruit rankings as a base of incoming college talent. Those sites are so Southeast/Florida/Texas centric and really aren't all that accurate in my mind. If you don't attend a certain camp, don't put up insane numbers too big to be ignored, play in BFE and haven't been noticed by a major BCS program, or don't send in your tapes you are considered a nobody. Plain truth of the matter. There's no way they can accurately gauge the ability of thousands and thousands and thousands of HS players.
There's no debating that Iowa puts players in the NFL, but I'm sure there was some "wrangling" with the numbers to prop Iowa up a little more than they should.
Iowa matched a program like Alabama in NFL draftees this year, yet the difference was Alabama had four 1st round guys, and Iowa had a 1st, a 3rd, a 4th, (2) 5th, 6th. That's a big difference in terms of what you are sending to the NFL. Alabama had a decidedly far more elite class of players going to the next level.
The reason I bring that up is just as that article wants to point out how few 2-3 star kids make the NFL, the same can be said for how few 4th round and lower players in the draft actually stay in the NFL.
They can crunch the numbers all they want to slight the Big 12 over the last decade, but just look at the NFL drafts with the last couple years. You'll see it littered with Big 12 skill position guys. In just the last 2 years(09/10)Bradford, McCoy, Freeman, Dez Bryant, Maclin, Pettigrew, Crabtree, Gresham...all but McCoy drafted in the 1st round(if I'm not mistaken), and 3 of them are really tearing it up already in their 1st or 2nd years. The Big 12 also had its share of lineman on both sides the last 2 years garnering a lot of 1st round picks.
Baylor has churned out 3 1st round lineman the last 2 years. The big 12 had something 4 lineman drafted in round 1 last year. To try and twist some numbers to put out the impression the Big 12 is horrible at getting guys in the NFL seems a little fishy to me.
I see reason to believe there's some total bias in how this is all put together.
I'm not trying to take a big dump on Iowa because nationally i believe the program is quite under-rated. When statistics come into play however, they can be manipulated to prove virtually any point with a little work.
There's no debating that Iowa puts players in the NFL, but I'm sure there was some "wrangling" with the numbers to prop Iowa up a little more than they should.
Iowa matched a program like Alabama in NFL draftees this year, yet the difference was Alabama had four 1st round guys, and Iowa had a 1st, a 3rd, a 4th, (2) 5th, 6th. That's a big difference in terms of what you are sending to the NFL. Alabama had a decidedly far more elite class of players going to the next level.
The reason I bring that up is just as that article wants to point out how few 2-3 star kids make the NFL, the same can be said for how few 4th round and lower players in the draft actually stay in the NFL.
They can crunch the numbers all they want to slight the Big 12 over the last decade, but just look at the NFL drafts with the last couple years. You'll see it littered with Big 12 skill position guys. In just the last 2 years(09/10)Bradford, McCoy, Freeman, Dez Bryant, Maclin, Pettigrew, Crabtree, Gresham...all but McCoy drafted in the 1st round(if I'm not mistaken), and 3 of them are really tearing it up already in their 1st or 2nd years. The Big 12 also had its share of lineman on both sides the last 2 years garnering a lot of 1st round picks.
Baylor has churned out 3 1st round lineman the last 2 years. The big 12 had something 4 lineman drafted in round 1 last year. To try and twist some numbers to put out the impression the Big 12 is horrible at getting guys in the NFL seems a little fishy to me.
I see reason to believe there's some total bias in how this is all put together.
I'm not trying to take a big dump on Iowa because nationally i believe the program is quite under-rated. When statistics come into play however, they can be manipulated to prove virtually any point with a little work.
I think 3-4 is incorrect. Upon hearing how greta iowa was at development, I once went back and looked at recruit rankings and was astonished how many high ranking recruits iowa had that didn't really pan out. I think it is closer to 1-1.