Best and Worst Developmental Football Programs

[tazclone]

Re: Good grief man...

what else should KF have done? He did kick their butts off the team. They never again participated in any football-related activities after the incident was reported. You don't like the recommendation, that's fine. There might be a chance that there was a reason for the recommendation (which I outlined above).
What exactly should KF have done to put them in jail? Now he is the DA as well as the FB coach? From the very beginning, KF and Barta knew very well that the victim and KF shouldn't be having any contact, because it was not in KF's power to give the victim the justice she was seeking. Only the Johnson County DA and a jury could do that. All KF knew for sure at that time was that Everson and Satterfield were lying to him as to their whereabouts on the night of the incident, so that's why he booted them. They sure as heck were not going to admit to him they did what they were accused of, nor should have he been getting involved in any way into an investigation.
Believe me, there are elements within the university and regents who would have liked nothing better than to drive KF out had he covered up or obstructed anything in this case. But nothing in the Stolar Group's report indicates that Barta or KF acted improperly. They were about the only people involved who did what they were supposed to do.
It was a complicated, long and embarrassing situation for the entire university. The university's Legal Counsel and the Dean of Students lost their jobs over it. And President Mason was lucky she didn't lose hers. From the very instant the victim reported the attack, she should have been directed to the IC Police or the DA's office, as they are trained to handle these cases, not university administrators or athletic department officials.

ferentz SHOLUD NOT HAVE GIVEN THEM a recommendation. It is that simple.

You linked the kf portion below but you did not link the meeting portions. I have read differently than you and kf was involved with meetings. He had an idea what was going on and what was being accused. I am not saying he manipulated anything. Not saying he tried to hide anything. Just saying that his recommendation for a couple of rapists makes him a POS in my mind. Saying he "would take them back if he could" makes him a POS in my mind. Being in the position he is in, having the success he has had, he could very easily said..."you lied to me, you disgust me, get out of my office and stay away from my program."
Honestly, I don't have an issue if he gives recommendations for kids that get busted for drugs, drinking, even a little credit card fraud. Kids do stupid things and I believe in second chances. But not for rape. Not date rape, not for using a date rape drug, not for fondling a passed out girl, and definitely not for raping a passed out girl. Rapists are the bottom of the barrel criminals. they are disgusting.

 

[DelusionalClone]

One more thing. Personally, I think that it is easier for a coach to judge whether a recruit is going to be a thug than for a manager to predict one of his employees is into kiddie porn. Usually adults hide their secrets a little better. You always hear the neighbors of a serial killer saying what a quiet nice guy he was.

Well it's nice that you believe that but it doesn't make it true.

Coaches are only allowed so much contact with these kids during the recruiting process, so unless the kid has a criminal record or a list of disciplinary issues at his school there is no way to tell the good from the bad seeds until something happens.

 

[mikem]

Re: Good grief man...

ferentz SHOLUD NOT HAVE GIVEN THEM a recommendation. It is that simple.

You linked the kf portion below but you did not link the meeting portions. I have read differently than you and kf was involved with meetings. He had an idea what was going on and what was being accused. I am not saying he manipulated anything. Not saying he tried to hide anything. Just saying that his recommendation for a couple of rapists makes him a POS in my mind. Saying he "would take them back if he could" makes him a POS in my mind. Being in the position he is in, having the success he has had, he could very easily said..."you lied to me, you disgust me, get out of my office and stay away from my program."
Honestly, I don't have an issue if he gives recommendations for kids that get busted for drugs, drinking, even a little credit card fraud. Kids do stupid things and I believe in second chances. But not for rape. Not date rape, not for using a date rape drug, not for fondling a passed out girl, and definitely not for raping a passed out girl. Rapists are the bottom of the barrel criminals. they are disgusting.

Here, here Taz, well said.

I think it is absolutely laughable that these "people" would believe that kirkie the scum doesn't know EVERYTHING that goes on with his program. This idiot sheep actually would believe for ONE second that kirkie wouldn't know about two of his players being accused of RAPE, as soon as the father called the VICTIM'S coach, and informed him that his daughter was RAPED by two football players???

I get that they seem to think that he is the stupidest man on the planet. But ANY sort of logical thinking would make people actually realize that he was certainly knowledgeable of EVERYTHING the u was doing to the VICTIM, if not downright in charge of the COVER-UP himself. He knew everything about the incident by the time the meeting with the father of the VICTIM was held that Monday morning.

Just like Freddie knew EVERYTHING about Railey's owi on New Year's Eve right after it happened.

These breds are some stupid beings, I can't even call pos like this guy and rest human. They don't qualify for it.

 

[kingcy]

Well it's nice that you believe that but it doesn't make it true.

Coaches are only allowed so much contact with these kids during the recruiting process, so unless the kid has a criminal record or a list of disciplinary issues at his school there is no way to tell the good from the bad seeds until something happens.

Coaches have ways of knowing what kids have been in trouble in the past. There are only so many spots on a team, coaches do their homework on this stuff, to try to avoid a miss. Some choose to ignore it.

 

[DelusionalClone]

Coaches have ways of knowing what kids have been in trouble in the past. There are only so many spots on a team, coaches do their homework on this stuff, to try to avoid a miss. Some choose to ignore it.

With what? A Ouija board?
If the kids do bad things and never get caught, how are the coaches to know?
You just automatically assume if a kid does something unsavory he will always get caught? That's dumb.