Adding Sports?

How about a 20k seat Hilton 2.0 and demoting the current Hilton to Gymnastics, wrestling, and Volleyball?

It would be good for concerts but realistically close off the 3rd level for all but the biggest BB games. Student section usually leaves their part of the balcony open for all but the biggest games.
 
I am extremely biased, but Women's wrestling would be a great addition to Iowa State. With it now being a sanctioned high school sport in the state, and growing in popularity across the country, I think you would be able to be closer to the "break-even" point vs adding a Women's rowing or lacrosse team
Is closer to breaking even losing $2M
 
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Your premise is bogus. There is a big difference between being able to be competitive in the big 10, a conference where teams are all generally northern and playing with the same geographic disadvantages, and being the northern outpost in a sport dominated by the south. I mean just look at the track record of the big 10 for even appearing at the CWS.

No one attended it here and being competitive would have required major spending from donors that don't exist, and even if those donors existed we would be better off directing that money at FB/bball where revenue is created
I see your logic. So it’s also impossible to be competitive with the warm weather schools in softball then, right? Or track?
 
I see your logic. So it’s also impossible to be competitive with the warm weather schools in softball then, right? Or track?

Softball practices in Bergstrom. The field dimensions fit. Track has an indoor facility (Lied).

There's no indoor place for baseball to do anything beyond batting cages and infield, and it would be necessary for ISU to be dinking around indoors while most of the conference could be outside having a full go.
 
I see your logic. So it’s also impossible to be competitive with the warm weather schools in softball then, right? Or track?

Nothing is impossible. Less likely? Absolutely. And for a sport that generates low\no revenue it isn't worth the expenditure for either. If not for title IX, it would have also likely been dropped.

You're trying to claim a 'gotcha' with the recent relative success of our current team, but its more the exception that proves the rule. Before 2021 ISU hadn't made the tournament since the 80s.
 
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Nothing is impossible. Less likely? Absolutely. And for a sport that generates low\no revenue it isn't worth the expenditure for either. If not for title IX, it would have also likely been dropped.

You're trying to claim a 'gotcha' with the recent relative success of our current team, but its more the exception that proves the rule. Before 2021 ISU hadn't made the tournament since the 80s.
Oh. How about tennis, then? Ranked what now?

Because that seems like an awful lot of competitive teams, considering we’re not “supposed” to be.

Seems more like we’re capable of finding ways to overcome our disadvantages.
 
9th-11th place in the Big 12 baseball standings...

1997: KSU, NU, ISU
1998: ISU, KSU, KU
1999: KSU, KU, ISU
2000: KU, ISU, KSU
2001: KSU, MU, KU (ISU was 8th)

Stevie Wonder could see the pattern.
Oooh oooh....Now do Football from about 1980-2000.

If you like patterns of suck as a reason to not have a sport at ISU...we would not have any sports at ISU.
 
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I would not add any more sports. Every other sport will just eat at finding that can be used for other sports that we actually go to and watch
 
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Somebody is apparently playing lacrosse in Southern Iowa of all places. Dunham's in Ottumwa and both Ottumwa and Centerville Wal-Marts sell equipment. I don't know a single kid that plays it.
When I was at ISU in the 90s, there was a club and it was growing.
 
Oh. How about tennis, then? Ranked what now?

Because that seems like an awful lot of competitive teams, considering we’re not “supposed” to be.

Seems more like we’re capable of finding ways to overcome our disadvantages.
We could be competitive, but only 10 people would know because that is all that would show up to the games.
 
Oooh oooh....Now do Football from about 1980-2000.

If you like patterns of suck as a reason to not have a sport at ISU...we would not have any sports at ISU.

When baseball starts delivering tv contracts that deliver tens of millions of dollars a year in extra money for ISU, we can discuss it. We only really have most of the others to meet NCAA minimum sport requirements (6 mens sports) and to meet title IX
 
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When baseball starts delivering tv contracts that deliver tens of millions of dollars a year in extra money for ISU, we can discuss it. We only really have most of the others to meet NCAA minimum sport requirements (6 mens sports) and to meet title IX
You really dumb a lot of posts....and not just mine. You love that dumb button.

So you are saying ISU was bringing is extra Millions of dollars during the 80s? From a Media contract? When we got on tv maybe a couple times a year..if we were lucky? And those were usually away?

Sure we are now...but during the 80s and 90s that was not the case, when my point would have been an issue.

Hell go back to the 1920s-40s or pick almost ISUs entire history, and I think you can find a lot of years of suck, when football was not making money, like now.

But Ok, I was making a point that if you go by trends of teams sucking you can pick a lot of sports...if not ALL sports at ISU that have a range of years, if not most of the entire history of the sport where ISU has been bad, to terrible. And we still host those.

I dont think we should start dropping sports simply because we have a group of 5 years that we were bad. Hell not a group of 10 or 20 years even, because like I said there would not be many if any sports left at ISU.

Tell me you understand this, and not that dense to understand what I was actually trying to point out.

Whether that means we should bring Baseball back or not is not the point, but saying we were bad is also not the point. Instead of bringing in a new coach we just quit, because we were bad? Is that really your point? Hell our baseball history is better than a lot of sports. At least we have several outright conference championships in Baseball. Not true in a lot of sports. And even made the CWS, tell me other sports that have done as well?

So if it is about being bad, or if it is about being in the north with south teams, and cant compete, and a team that is bad and doesnt bring in $$$$. Explain this, we still have a team:
And before you say title 9....we are ahead on title 9 and have been since baseball...why not drop softball and pick up another sport we have a better chance at competing in, if that is what its all about.
YearHead CoachOverall RecordConference RecordConference StandingPostseason
1997Ruth Crowe17–241–1310th
1998Ruth Crowe16–275–118th
1999Ruth Crowe23–305–11T-9th
2000Ruth Crowe18–294–1410th
2001Ruth Crowe14–272–1210th
2002Ruth Crowe19–256–128th
2003Ruth Crowe19–286–127th
2004Ruth Crowe13–313–139th
2005Ruth Crowe18–323–15T-9th
2006Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler23–285–13T-8th
2007Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler24–403–15T-9th
2008Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler29-294–14T-9th
2009Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler26–297–118th
2010Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler26–294–149th
2011Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler21–283–158th
2012Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler14–392–228th

maybe mens golf is raking in the cash in contracts too....

2000Big 1211th
2001Big 1211th
2002Big 1211th
2003Big 1212th
2004Big 128th
2005Big 129th
2006Big 1212th
2007Big 1212th
2008Big 129th
2009Big 1212th
2010Big 1210th
2011Big 12T-11th
 
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But Ok, I was making a point that if you go by trends of teams sucking you can pick a lot of sports...if not ALL sports at ISU that have a range of years, if not most of the entire history of the sport where ISU has been bad, to terrible. And we still host those.

TLDR; you missed my point so badly that it led to whatever you were blathering about in the post I mercifully snipped.
 
You really dumb a lot of posts....and not just mine. You love that dumb button.

So you are saying ISU was bringing is extra Millions of dollars during the 80s? From a Media contract? When we got on tv maybe a couple times a year..if we were lucky? And those were usually away?

Sure we are now...but during the 80s and 90s that was not the case, when my point would have been an issue.

Hell go back to the 1920s-40s or pick almost ISUs entire history, and I think you can find a lot of years of suck, when football was not making money, like now.

But Ok, I was making a point that if you go by trends of teams sucking you can pick a lot of sports...if not ALL sports at ISU that have a range of years, if not most of the entire history of the sport where ISU has been bad, to terrible. And we still host those.

I dont think we should start dropping sports simply because we have a group of 5 years that we were bad. Hell not a group of 10 or 20 years even, because like I said there would not be many if any sports left at ISU.

Tell me you understand this, and not that dense to understand what I was actually trying to point out.

Whether that means we should bring Baseball back or not is not the point, but saying we were bad is also not the point. Instead of bringing in a new coach we just quit, because we were bad? Is that really your point? Hell our baseball history is better than a lot of sports. At least we have several outright conference championships in Baseball. Not true in a lot of sports. And even made the CWS, tell me other sports that have done as well?

So if it is about being bad, or if it is about being in the north with south teams, and cant compete, and a team that is bad and doesnt bring in $$$$. Explain this, we still have a team:
And before you say title 9....we are ahead on title 9 and have been since baseball...why not drop softball and pick up another sport we have a better chance at competing in, if that is what its all about.
YearHead CoachOverall RecordConference RecordConference StandingPostseason
1997Ruth Crowe17–241–1310th
1998Ruth Crowe16–275–118th
1999Ruth Crowe23–305–11T-9th
2000Ruth Crowe18–294–1410th
2001Ruth Crowe14–272–1210th
2002Ruth Crowe19–256–128th
2003Ruth Crowe19–286–127th
2004Ruth Crowe13–313–139th
2005Ruth Crowe18–323–15T-9th
2006Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler23–285–13T-8th
2007Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler24–403–15T-9th
2008Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler29-294–14T-9th
2009Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler26–297–118th
2010Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler26–294–149th
2011Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler21–283–158th
2012Stacy Gemeinhardt-Cesler14–392–228th
We are ahead on women’s, but if we dropped any, we would not be most likely.
 

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