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True...But if he is not willing to tell a parent and kids that they are not good enough...Why go out of his way to tell the public that Mac isn't good enough?

Again, if he doesn't like Mac, fine...I'm just saying it is not healthy for ISU basketball.

Very odd post. I went back and looked. Didn't see one person who blamed ISU's last 3 season's on Jake.

Bolded what triggered me.



I may have gone slightly overboard. :wink:
 
Bolded what triggered me.



I may have gone slightly overboard. :wink:

I never said anything about it being Jake's fault for anything on the court...I understand that is Mac's responsibility.

You are trying to combine two completely different conversations...
 
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It isn't Jake's fault ISU basketball is not doing well. Jake is a salesman for his program? Really? I would sure as hell hope that's what he is--it is his freaking job. Isn't G McD a salesman for the ISU basketball team? I hope so!!

What does Jake see in the ISU program that his kids will be successful there? Is he supposed to send kids to ISU no matter what the situation is? Is Jake pulling all the strings for these kids?

If G McD was winning games, no one would give a rip what Jake was saying. It would look like sour grapes.

Bottom line: It isn't Jake's fault that we aren't good. Look for another scapegoat.
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In my opinion it would be smart of Jake to speak well of ISU. Nothing quite cements yourself in the history of a program like speaking well of your former team. Either that or you can have the whole fanbase dislike you because of the way you act toward the program.
If I were him I would try and rewarm the water with ISU fans.
 
This just in:

It isn't Jake's fault ISU basketball is not doing well. Jake is a salesman for his program? Really? I would sure as hell hope that's what he is--it is his freaking job. Isn't G McD a salesman for the ISU basketball team? I hope so!!

What does Jake see in the ISU program that his kids will be successful there? Is he supposed to send kids to ISU no matter what the situation is? Is Jake pulling all the strings for these kids?

If G McD was winning games, no one would give a rip what Jake was saying. It would look like sour grapes.

Bottom line: It isn't Jake's fault that we aren't good. Look for another scapegoat.

True, but this "situation" with Jake, if true, is a competitive disadvantage to Iowa State when compared to similar scenarios at other programs, especially the one that are traditional powers. You don't think KU, NC, etc do not have dozens of local/alumni that push (blindly) their AAU kids to the aforementioned schools. College Ball is largly about these types of connections, and when you have them, they need to be fruitful. Regardless of your personal feelings for McD, this is bad for ISU basketball, and that should bother you. That said, I happen to be a McD fan, so it proably bothers me more.
 
True...But if he is not willing to tell a parent and kids that they are not good enough...Why go out of his way to tell the public that Mac isn't good enough?

Again, if he doesn't like Mac, fine...I'm just saying it is not healthy for ISU basketball.

KG- as I PM'd you yesterday, I had the chance to listen to Jake yesterday. He was asked specifically about the influence from AAU coaches including himself on players and how they are recruited. He mentioned that many young men are from homes with no parental involvement and he then assumes a mentor role. In other circumstances, there is a parent involved so he does not need to take up a parental role. He specifically mentioned that HB has a very strong parental influence in his mother and that she is steering the process, not him. I take him at his word based on his belief system.

For those of you concerned about the role that Christ is playing in his life and business, keep in mind that he is using this as a positive influence to many inner city Des Moines youth as well as his new program in Ghana. If his Christianity helps any young person that is adrift because of a lack of parental guidance, then I'm all for it.

Lastly, if it is his opinion that the style of play inhibits players, then that is what it is, his opinion and nothing else. He has an obligation to be true to his self as well as the parent and players that have been entrusted to him.
 
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The fact is nobody would give a crap what Jake thinks about McD if Barnes didn't play for him. Is there anybody else on his roster at any level that we are recruiting?
 
KG- as I PM'd you yesterday, I had the chance to listen to Jake yesterday. We was asked specifically about the influence from AAU coaches including himself on players and how they are recruited. He mentioned that many young men are from homes with no parental involvement and he then assumes a mentor role. In other circumstances, there is a parent involved so he does not need to take up a parental role. He specifically mentioned that HB has a very strong parental influence in his mother and that she is steering the process, not him. I take him at his word based on his belief system.

For those of you concerned about the role that Christ is playing in his life and business, keep in mind that he is using this as a positive influence to many inner city Des Moines youth as well as his new program in Ghana. If his Christianity helps any young person that is adrift because of a lack of parental guidance, then I'm all for it.

Lastly, if it is his opinion that the style of play inhibits players, then that is what it is, his opinion and nothing else. He has an obligation to be true to his self as well as the parent and players that have been entrusted to him.
That is really good news, because I'm pretty sure that if Shirley had her way, Barnes would be in Cardinal and Gold.
 
That is really good news, because I'm pretty sure that if Shirley had her way, Barnes would be in Cardinal and Gold.

And Shirley Barnes would frankly laugh at all these posts that accuse Jake of being "anti-ISU."
No one thinks more highly of Jake Sullivan than Shirley - and she can spot BS from a mile away...
 
And Shirley Barnes would frankly laugh at all these posts that accuse Jake of being "anti-ISU."
No one thinks more highly of Jake Sullivan than Shirley - and she can spot BS from a mile away...

Good deal...so Barnes' decision should tell us a lot on all fronts:wink:
 
I have never heard Jake "criticize" ISU. Only in the media, a couple of times, have I heard him speak to GMac's style of play, and that a supremely talented player might feel handcuffed in it.
Yes, he is a salesman - the problem I have seen with that first-hand is when he tells parents how talented/skilled their son/daughter is, and then said son/daughter sits on the bench during their high school games. Parents take it out on the high school coach (Hey, Jake told me...") so I wonder how objective he is when talking to parents.
But that is true with EVERY business like his.

Was CB handcuffed this season? Not in my mind. JS could have pointed out that CB did well in GMac's style of play, hence HB could do the same. Yet he only pointed out the negative.
 
And Shirley Barnes would frankly laugh at all these posts that accuse Jake of being "anti-ISU."
No one thinks more highly of Jake Sullivan than Shirley - and she can spot BS from a mile away...


That's very nice that Shirley really likes Jake. But that doesn't help Iowa State.

If Jake would just say on one of his many media appearances something like "I think Harrison owes it to himself to look at any program which makes him an offer. He's an elite player who has a lot of choices and I will support him no matter what. He knows, like I know, that Iowa State is a special place and it is some place that I have encouraged him to look at along with the other top schools"

It also doesn't help that Jake praised Liklitter over in Iowa City when the players starting bolting and McDermott doesn't run nearly as much of a boring style as old Todd.
 
And Shirley Barnes would frankly laugh at all these posts that accuse Jake of being "anti-ISU."
No one thinks more highly of Jake Sullivan than Shirley - and she can spot BS from a mile away...
To me this isn't about HB- he is a once in a lifetime type player and young man. HB and his mother seem to be the intelligent, professional type, etc. If Jake was "pimping" any program for the wrong reasons they likely wouldn't be involved with Jake. I think it is more of a manner of creating a more positive climate towards ISU, as he has done with other programs, amongst Iowa AAU basketball people. The lack of positive endorsement, even if for benign reasons, can be detrimental .
 
That's very nice that Shirley really likes Jake. But that doesn't help Iowa State.

If Jake would just say on one of his many media appearances something like "I think Harrison owes it to himself to look at any program which makes him an offer. He's an elite player who has a lot of choices and I will support him no matter what. He knows, like I know, that Iowa State is a special place and it is some place that I have encouraged him to look at along with the other top schools"

It also doesn't help that Jake praised Liklitter over in Iowa City when the players starting bolting and McDermott doesn't run nearly as much of a boring style as old Todd.


Going out on a limb here but couldn't Jake and/or ISU get in trouble if he went out and said something like that publicly? Isn't that kinda similar to what's happening down in Kentucky right now?:confused:
 
and to all of those that don't think McD wouldn't draw up atleast 75% of his plays to run through HB or atleast get him a touch every time down are crazy (see what he did with CB this past year). When you have a talent like HB on your team, you utilize it and I'd bet that Mac knows this.
 

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