Tyrese Hunter Entering the Transfer Portal - NIL Speculation

[isucy86]

It's this.

And the big question is will college sports continue to be popular coast to coast when the 40 of the 70 major conference teams now are mid-majors.

It could be a double whammy with realignment. If mega-conference becomes 30 teams on the inside and everybody else out...and because of teams like Vandy/NW/MissSt/Rutgers getting grandfathered in, you could have half of that megaconference as the only teams that can pay NBA/NFL salaries to players. I really think the ratings and streaming interest for a product like that is just going to absolutely tank compared to present day.

Basketball can hang on longer because of the insanity of the the tourney format. It's a spectacle, and I'd still be interested just for that one Thurs-Sunday a year. Football would lose my interest no matter how they set up a playoff.

I don't take such a doom & gloom approach.

While I live ISU sports and would love for us to continue at the highest level, I will support the Cyclones even if we play at a Triple-A level.

The stage isn't as prominent, but it seems to me that NDSU fans take a lot of pride & joy in winning FCS championships.

I think college athletics can survive and thrive if there are further subdivisions. But I do feel there needs to be stability. Whether it is pro or college sport fans want to have an affinity for their team's players. IMO the beauty of college sport is the unbreakable relationship of being an alumni of my school. While I love watching games on TV, going to a game at Hilton or JT Trice is still the biggest joy.

 

[WhoISthis]

No one was robbed. All the benefits these guys get as scholarship athletes should be enough. As someone who has experienced these benefits they were more than enough and things are even better now.

Enough is what the market decides. Anything less is suppressing the player value via arbitrary rules. Why do that? Why should a coach get paid well but not players?

They’re employees. Just like students are employed all around the university.

 

[HFCS]

And like any market there will be corrections. You'll see guys chase deals to schools and sit on the bench. You will see boosters get disenchanted when their donations aren't met with a successful team. This totally stinks because there doesn't appear to be blame to assess other than the money. This isn't Wes Johnson where you can blame McDermott. This isn't someone transferring because their coach leaves. It's just the money, and that's why it stings. But we will just have to adapt and figure you can't keep 12 guys happy at the big schools.

Agree. Excellent post on where things are and what can be done.

I’m mostly irritated by those acting as if nothing changes. If nothing changes it wouldn’t matter if our guys permanently all get $0.

 

[knowlesjam]

Prohm’s fault was that his non-star players were not P5 basketball players and overall he wasn’t a good enough coach to supplement that.

This. An interesting comparison is how would TJ have done with the players Prohm had? You are going to see an even clearer separation between teams that actually have coaches that can coach and those that don't. As previous posters have stated, those coaches comfortable both with the portal and with recruiting are going to make hay. In that I like our chances. Those coaches that can't see the power of the portal...doomed to a slow death.

 

[3TrueFans]

@3TrueFans this sounds like it’s directed at you.

I thought maybe but it was hard to tell through the crying.

 

[Linusvanp3lt]

We are not fishing in the pond you think we are. Only the top three recruits in ISU history are in the ranking you're describing.

The point wasn't the exact pond, my point was pond shouldn't change if we still can offer the Xth ranked experience including school, location, weather, fan support, facilities, and NIL$.

Feel free to correct with historical basketball recruiting class range. I'm not an expert. I saw rankings in 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and some outliers in 70 and even as high as 120 when I just glanced.

 

[FeedBreece]

It is the end of college athletics. It truly is.

This is the Titanic and the lifeboats are full. We can rearrange the deck chairs and listen to the band, but this ship is going down.

Only possible saving grace is if Fox/ESPN start seeing viewership tank and then implement a more equitable system.

Otherwise, like Billy Joel said, "Oh we will all go down together!"

Ok

 

[randomfan44]

I can’t believe so many think it’s no big deal that almost any future freshman gem we find is guaranteed to leave for pro college ball.

Monte, Breece, Georges, Purdy…all underrecruited freshman studs who would now need to turn down 500k to a million bucks to keep a cyclone logo on jersey.

There aren't any players at Kansas making those kind of dollars in NIL. As of February, the total dollar amount of all athletes in all sports COMBINED was only around $500k.

Here's KU's report on the status of NIL deals as of February:

KU Sports

In the seven months since the NCAA made profiting on one’s name, image and likeness legal, athletes at the University of Kansas have cashed in on close to half a million dollars. KU Athletic Director Travis Goff on Thursday morning provided an update on KU’s NIL statistics to the Kansas...

m.kusports.com

"In it, Goff said more than 80 different Jayhawks have brokered more than 170 total NIL deals since July 1 through the end of January. In addition, Goff said at least one athlete from all 17 of KU’s varsity sports had received an NIL opportunity and that the average transaction value per deal was $2,728.

“(That’s) heavily skewed by maybe the handful of five-figure men’s basketball deals,” Goff added. “Nothing in the six figures. Nothing that I think has been just at the forefront of progressive, so to speak, but we feel good having created a foundation of education with a strong lens toward compliance.”"

I am sure those numbers will go up after the barnstorming tour by the KU basketball team over the next month or so where the players get a portion of ticket sales as they tour small Kansas towns doing exhibitions etc... but no single basketball player is getting even close to $500k-$1 million.

 

[Gossamer]

so does the NIL $ that a player makes change the way you react to him/her?

are they still "student athletes" like they were prior to NIL and "off limits" to certain types of scrutiny?

 

[CyJack13]

I thought maybe but it was hard to tell through the crying.

I hadn't realize that every other power conference school and most mid majors were going to have roughly a $1M budget per roster spot until i read his tantrums.

 

[madguy30]

What's a long time? I'd say just the prohm era.

Successful eras post-1990 with the main or best core being 4 year guys:

Hoiberg/Julius/Meyer teams.

Niang/Morris/Thomas/Naz.

The Tinsley/Fizer group had a few but the best weren't 4 year players for ISU.

 

[Linusvanp3lt]

Agree. Excellent post on where things are and what can be done.

I’m mostly irritated by those acting as if nothing changes. If nothing changes it wouldn’t matter if our guys permanently all get $0.

??

If we offer 0, that is a change. Pre-NIL our "offer" of school, facilities, location, weather, etc was 45th best or whatever right number is. If our NIL$ is consistent with 45th best, nothing changes.

If our NIL is 0, that will be far worse than 45th best. That's a change, and yes our recruiting rankings and player quality will suffer.

 

[3TrueFans]

so does the NIL $ that a player makes change the way you react to him/her?

are they still "student athletes" like they were prior to NIL and "off limits" to certain types of scrutiny?

If you want to tweet mean things at him nobody is stopping you.

 

[Gossamer]

If you want to tweet mean things at him nobody is stopping you.

Nice response to a legit question.

Was tweeting or being mean implied?

 

[GTO]

 

[Bader]

so does the NIL $ that a player makes change the way you react to him/her?

are they still "student athletes" like they were prior to NIL and "off limits" to certain types of scrutiny?

If you want to be an ******* to a college kid have at it I guess?

 

[Cycsk]

Could be epic meltdown if instead of UNC he wound up at Murray State.

Paid out of a collective funded by Prohm's settlement package for leaving Iowa State!

 

[Gunnerclone]

There aren't any players at Kansas making those kind of dollars in NIL. As of February, the total dollar amount of all athletes in all sports COMBINED was only around $500k.

Here's KU's report on the status of NIL deals as of February:

KU Sports

In the seven months since the NCAA made profiting on one’s name, image and likeness legal, athletes at the University of Kansas have cashed in on close to half a million dollars. KU Athletic Director Travis Goff on Thursday morning provided an update on KU’s NIL statistics to the Kansas...

m.kusports.com

"In it, Goff said more than 80 different Jayhawks have brokered more than 170 total NIL deals since July 1 through the end of January. In addition, Goff said at least one athlete from all 17 of KU’s varsity sports had received an NIL opportunity and that the average transaction value per deal was $2,728.

“(That’s) heavily skewed by maybe the handful of five-figure men’s basketball deals,” Goff added. “Nothing in the six figures. Nothing that I think has been just at the forefront of progressive, so to speak, but we feel good having created a foundation of education with a strong lens toward compliance.”"

I am sure those numbers will go up after the barnstorming tour by the KU basketball team over the next month or so where the players get a portion of ticket sales as they tour small Kansas towns doing exhibitions etc... but no single basketball player is getting even close to $500k-$1 million.

Prepare to be poached then. SEC is bringing their bags of money.

 

[Cfinnerty16]

Also a little different in that a lot of the WBB "followings" and PR is really working to promote the sport. Paige Bueckers has a million Instagram followers which is great for growing interest in the sport. Bueckers and Boston from SC have deals with real companies which will make them some money but it's not fake NIL like what is going in in MBB, it's more actual business transactions. NIL on the WBB side seems to be players actually capitalizing on their fame and name while NIL on the MBB side is just pay for play like it has always been just now more open in the bidding.

100% this, most accurate thing I've seen posted in this god forsaken thread

 

[madguy30]

It's the whole NIL concept that has fans on the ledge. Tyrese is replaceable. Really couldn't shoot for a lick other than the LSU game and was careless with the basketball A LOT. Think about how many lazy passes and turnovers he had. I think he had an attitude, too. Did it ever look like he was having fun out there? Like you said, pick up a decent guard to replace him. It's just really sad that the days of loyalty like Niang, Naz, and Morris who bled Cardinal and Gold are gone.

I never got the impression that he had an attitude.

Probably the most poker faced player I can think of.

And NIL/transfer rules weren't what they are now so we have no idea if those guys would have stuck around. Heck Morris tested the NBA waters after his junior year.