Down goes Freddy

[ISUChippewa]

Agreed. I don't begrudge Fred for leaving ISU for the NBA. I get it. He left the program better than he found it, and as the fans understood it, he preferred pro ball because parts of the college game weren't his favorite. Fine. No issues with that. Wished him well.

Even when he flamed out in the pros and wanted to come back to college... Sure. Okay, I guess. Weird seeing him wearing a different school's logo, and those things that he didn't like about the college game are still here, but I'm sure his eyes were wide open, and he can coach where he wants.

But then it was Nebraska. That's a tough pill to swallow. Hard to get on board with that, as success for him has the ability to make things harder for Iowa State.

I don't celebrate his failure in Lincoln, (and it is impossible to describe it in any other way) but I am not sad that the huskers continue to be the all singing, all dancing, travelling ****-circus that they have been for the vast majority of my lifetime. I would have preferred not to have watch Fred try to save his career from that quagmire, like a fair haired Atreyu frantically pulling Atrax's reins as he slowly succumbed to the Swamp of Sadness, but it is what it is. It's not like there weren't plenty of warning signs posted.

Getting way off-topic here, but just wanted to give you a very sarcastic "thank you" for triggering me by bringing up a traumatic memory of my childhood from one of my otherwise favorite movies as a kid. Damn, I still don't think I could watch that scene now as a 47-year old man without having to skip past it.

 

[nfrine]

freddy needs to go to an NBA back office

FIFY.

 

[Acylum]

freddy needs to go back to an NBA front office

He didn’t exactly knock that out of the park either. Not sure where the narrative he was some great NBA FO guy comes from.

 

[VeloClone]

He didn’t exactly knock that out of the park either. Not sure where the narrative he was some great NBA FO guy comes from.

I think he did about as well as could be expected as the entire Timberwolves organization was a huge Charlie Foxtrot.

 

[BCClone]

Agreed. I don't begrudge Fred for leaving ISU for the NBA. I get it. He left the program better than he found it, and as the fans understood it, he preferred pro ball because parts of the college game weren't his favorite. Fine. No issues with that. Wished him well.

Even when he flamed out in the pros and wanted to come back to college... Sure. Okay, I guess. Weird seeing him wearing a different school's logo, and those things that he didn't like about the college game are still here, but I'm sure his eyes were wide open, and he can coach where he wants.

But then it was Nebraska. That's a tough pill to swallow. Hard to get on board with that, as success for him has the ability to make things harder for Iowa State.

I don't celebrate his failure in Lincoln, (and it is impossible to describe it in any other way) but I am not sad that the huskers continue to be the all singing, all dancing, travelling ****-circus that they have been for the vast majority of my lifetime. I would have preferred not to have watch Fred try to save his career from that quagmire, like a fair haired Atreyu frantically pulling Atrax's reins as he slowly succumbed to the Swamp of Sadness, but it is what it is. It's not like there weren't plenty of warning signs posted.

I think had he landed at a Louisville, North Carolina, even a Arkansas type school, it wouldn't have bothered the ISU fans as much. Fred using the excuses of him disliking recruiting and that every stop he announces as his dream job, is what wore on fans. The colleges I mentioned previously could have been looked at as schools that have more ease with recruiting, for whatever reasons, and it would have aligned with why he left and placed him recruiting different level of recruits. Instead, he is at an old rival that has no history so he needs to up the recruiting to the level that we generally recruit at which means he has to pound the trails.

 

[VeloClone]

I think had he landed at a Louisville, North Carolina, even a Arkansas type school, it wouldn't have bothered the ISU fans as much. Fred using the excuses of him disliking recruiting and that every stop he announces as his dream job, is what wore on fans. The colleges I mentioned previously could have been looked at as schools that have more ease with recruiting, for whatever reasons, and it would have aligned with why he left and placed him recruiting different level of recruits. Instead, he is at an old rival that has no history so he needs to up the recruiting to the level that we generally recruit at which means he has to pound the trails.

I guess I would have to see the exact quote when he said he hated recruiting. I always thought that it meant he didn't like the scummy underbelly of the recruiting world where you could think you had a guy committed - he gives you a solid commitment - and then he would flip at the last minute because another school gave him (or his handlers) a "better offer". You can hate that part of it and not necessarily hate the part where you get to know kids and put together a team.

As far as Nebraska, sure it stings Cyclone fans some, but I'm never going to begrudge a guy going to coach at the place his grandfather coached.

 

[RoseClone]

I guess I would have to see the exact quote when he said he hated recruiting. I always thought that it meant he didn't like the scummy underbelly of the recruiting world where you could think you had a guy committed - he gives you a solid commitment - and then he would flip at the last minute because another school gave him (or his handlers) a "better offer". You can hate that part of it and not necessarily hate the part where you get to know kids and put together a team.

As far as Nebraska, sure it stings Cyclone fans some, but I'm never going to begrudge a guy going to coach at the place his grandfather coached.

Fred is doing his best to make his grandfather look good too. His grandfather's winning percentage was .380 and Fred's is worse at .323

Every coach between the two of them except Barry Collier (.494) won at least 50% of their games

 

[DSMCy]

I guess I would have to see the exact quote when he said he hated recruiting. I always thought that it meant he didn't like the scummy underbelly of the recruiting world where you could think you had a guy committed - he gives you a solid commitment - and then he would flip at the last minute because another school gave him (or his handlers) a "better offer". You can hate that part of it and not necessarily hate the part where you get to know kids and put together a team.

As far as Nebraska, sure it stings Cyclone fans some, but I'm never going to begrudge a guy going to coach at the place his grandfather coached.

Maybe that's what he was referring to, but unfortunately that's what recruiting is in today's college athletics. If you don't like that aspect of college recruiting, then you shouldn't be a college coach.

 

[VeloClone]

Maybe that's what he was referring to, but unfortunately that's what recruiting is in today's college athletics. If you don't like that aspect of college recruiting, then you shouldn't be a college coach.

So you have to like that part of the job to do the job? I think everyone has parts of their job that they don't like and even sometimes detest but that doesn't mean that you can't like the rest of the job even more.

 

[RoseClone]

So you have to like that part of the job to do the job? I think everyone has parts of their job that they don't like and even sometimes detest but that doesn't mean that you can't like the rest of the job even more.

That's a pretty big part of the job.

 

[VeloClone]

That's a pretty big part of the job.

Recruiting is a pretty big part of the job. I don't think liking the scummy money that is in recruiting is a prerequisite to doing the job.

 

[ISpyCy]

"They may call him The Mayor in Ames, but he's about to get recalled in Lincoln."

Omaha and Lincoln sports radio are tearing him apart this morning.

 

[AuH2O]

I think had he landed at a Louisville, North Carolina, even a Arkansas type school, it wouldn't have bothered the ISU fans as much. Fred using the excuses of him disliking recruiting and that every stop he announces as his dream job, is what wore on fans. The colleges I mentioned previously could have been looked at as schools that have more ease with recruiting, for whatever reasons, and it would have aligned with why he left and placed him recruiting different level of recruits. Instead, he is at an old rival that has no history so he needs to up the recruiting to the level that we generally recruit at which means he has to pound the trails.

Yes, I don't begrudge Fred for any of the decisions, including Nebraska. But in the end I want what is best for ISU sports. Having a program next door start being good is bad for ISU. So I want Nebraska basketball to keep failing as hard as possible. Just like I want Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa and Missouri to fail.

Not that multiple schools in the midwest can't be simultaneously successful with ISU, but even if these schools sucking helps ISU in even the smallest way, that's what I want to happen.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I think had he landed at a Louisville, North Carolina, even a Arkansas type school, it wouldn't have bothered the ISU fans as much. Fred using the excuses of him disliking recruiting and that every stop he announces as his dream job, is what wore on fans. The colleges I mentioned previously could have been looked at as schools that have more ease with recruiting, for whatever reasons, and it would have aligned with why he left and placed him recruiting different level of recruits. Instead, he is at an old rival that has no history so he needs to up the recruiting to the level that we generally recruit at which means he has to pound the trails.

I wouldn't care 1% as much if this were happening at ye olde random ACC or SEC school or even somewhere in the eastern half of the Big Ten. But the fact it is Nebraska just makes this juicy.

We're going to watch Oklahoma and Texas and feel the same way in the SEC.

No quarter given to traitors.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Maybe that's what he was referring to, but unfortunately that's what recruiting is in today's college athletics. If you don't like that aspect of college recruiting, then you shouldn't be a college coach.

I can't imagine any coach likes recruiting and have probably all thought the same thing, but they are smart enough to not set fire to a bridge that they may need to cross again.

Considering the recruiting portion involves getting to know the player and their family, going into their homes, sending follow-up texts (i.e. relationship building), saying you hate those aspects doesn't send a good message to the player or the parents. Some may not care at all, but it would be hard to portray yourself as being genuine when you talk about caring for the player as a person..

 

[DSMCy]

I can't imagine any coach likes recruiting and have probably all thought the same thing, but they are smart enough to not set fire to a bridge that they may need to cross again.

Considering the recruiting portion involves getting to know the player and their family, going into their homes, sending follow-up texts (i.e. relationship building), saying you hate those aspects doesn't send a good message to the player or the parents. Some may not care at all, but it would be hard to portray yourself as being genuine when you talk about caring for the player as a person..

What's funny/interesting is this quote was at a Pro Scout Coaching Conference, where he was a panelist. This wasn't like an off hand comment to a reporter, where he was frustrated by a question or something.

I'm guessing he never planned to go back to college.

 

[Sigmapolis]

What's funny/interesting is this quote was at a Pro Scout Coaching Conference, where he was a panelist. This wasn't like an off hand comment to a reporter, where he was frustrated by a question or something.

I'm guessing he never planned to go back to college.

Yeah, I think the plan was to rebuild his stock and make some money and wait for the NBA phone to start ringing again. Little did poor Fred know his nightmare was just beginning.

 

[Jayshellberg]

I wouldn't care 1% as much if this were happening at ye olde random ACC or SEC school or even somewhere in the eastern half of the Big Ten. But the fact it is Nebraska just makes this juicy.

We're going to watch Oklahoma and Texas and feel the same way in the SEC.

No quarter given to traitors.

If Fred was coaching at Virginia Tech, I probably wouldn’t even be aware or care about how his team was doing. However, the fact that it’s happening in Iowa State’s backyard makes it hard to ignore and draw some enjoyment out of the mess since it’s Nebby. After all, I had a lot of Husker fans snicker at me when they hired Fred because they knew I was an ISU fan. To that I say karma.

 

[mustangcy]

People forget because of all the wins and how Fred rebuilt ISU that he essenstially took the last two years off, just phoned in recruiting. He knew he was leaving and just didn't care enough to work his ass off on the recruiting trail like ISU was paying him MILLIONS to do. That should piss off every ISU fan, it pisses me off. The guy phoned it in and Steve Prohm probably lost his job over it due to a giant hole in recruiting he had to build completely.

 

[carvers4math]

Won't happen; Fred needs the money.

I doubt Fred’s investment plan is the Walter White storage locker of $$$, but this what comes to mind.