Phillip Fulmer interested per Cotlar

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Because Phil Fulmer is NOT Johnny Majors. Heck ISU is not Pitt...it could turn out worse than your example.

They both spent 15 years at Tennessee, with similar success.

At 57 years of age, Johnny Majors went to take over a struggling Pitt program (which he has great ties to and motivation and incentive to win at) after a season nearly identical to what Fulmer just went through.

And he did nothing. He left them after going 4-7 in 96. Pitt hired Walt Harris who came in and went 52-44.

The point is that just because he's a "name" who has had great success doesn't mean he's going to be a great coach at ISU, and that doesn't put him any higher on my list than any of the other guys we've been talking about.

Johnny Majors to Pitt in 1992 is almost IDENTICAL to Phil Fulmer to ISU today. Doesn't mean it will turn out the same, just that it very well could.

Then again, Walt Harris (after a couple of bumpy "rebuilding" years) went to 5 straight bowl games, and had 1 9 win, 2 8 win and 2 7 win seasons over that timeframe (even though they lost to ISU in one of them!). Then, he went to Stanford where he promptly was fired after 2 years and a 6-17 record.

 

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and who is that? Please don't drop a Loney Farley on me

I think that's JP's job to sort out.

I honestly don't know, but, while I think Fulmer is a good coach, I don't know if he's the right fit for ISU right now. Maybe if we fast forwarded 4 or 5 years and the program was a consistent 6 or 7 win program (which is what we should hope for out of the next coach, IMO), a guy like him could step in and take it to the next level, but he doesn't have the "building" on his resume anywhere, which is of great concern to me at this point.

 

[sloaner]

They both spent 15 years at Tennessee, with similar success.

At 57 years of age, Johnny Majors went to take over a struggling Pitt program (which he has great ties to and motivation and incentive to win at) after a season nearly identical to what Fulmer just went through.

And he did nothing. He left them after going 4-7 in 96. Pitt hired Walt Harris who came in and went 52-44.

The point is that just because he's a "name" who has had great success doesn't mean he's going to be a great coach at ISU, and that doesn't put him any higher on my list than any of the other guys we've been talking about.

Johnny Majors to Pitt in 1992 is almost IDENTICAL to Phil Fulmer to ISU today. Doesn't mean it will turn out the same, just that it very well could.

Then again, Walt Harris (after a couple of bumpy "rebuilding" years) went to 5 straight bowl games, and had 1 9 win, 2 8 win and 2 7 win seasons over that timeframe (even though they lost to ISU in one of them!). Then, he went to Stanford where he promptly was fired after 2 years and a 6-17 record.

The problem is all us fans are basing our opinions on a small amount of decision quality information. I think if we could all hear the "plans" the candidates had for turning ISU into a winner, I think our outlook on certain coaches would change a lot.

 

[j4state]

would Fulmer coming to ISU be like Bobby Knight going to Texas Tech....A legacy coach without the brand, just produce competitive mediocrity.

Similar to what I've been thinking. I wouldn't disapprove of the hire but I don't think he's better for the program than most of the candidates we've been discussing.

 

[CyinCo]

I think that's JP's job to sort out.

I honestly don't know, but, while I think Fulmer is a good coach, I don't know if he's the right fit for ISU right now. Maybe if we fast forwarded 4 or 5 years and the program was a consistent 6 or 7 win program (which is what we should hope for out of the next coach, IMO), a guy like him could step in and take it to the next level, but he doesn't have the "building" on his resume anywhere, which is of great concern to me at this point.

I don't get how building is any diffferent? Do coaches coach differently? Do they recruit differently? Do they hire different assistants?

Coaching is coaching. The only difference between building and not building is consistency of the product.

 

[ahaselhu]

The fact is that we can't possibly hire someone that we KNOW will be successful at ISU. Could Fulmer turn out like Majors at Pitt. Sure, he could, and that is a valid concern.

I just don't see any better options. Pat Hill's resume at Fresno State reminds me a bit of McCarney. Had some good teams, even some teams that could have been great, but never got them to the next level (conference championship). IMO, we'd get back to McCarney's level of success and no further.

Petersen and Patterson would both be better choices (as Gill would have been), but by all accounts we can't get them. If we indeed CAN get one of them, I'd certainly rather go that route than Fulmer.

I don't like Graham's track record. I think it is certain we'd be looking for another coach again in a few years.

IMO, Fulmer's the next best candidate we've heard of so far.

 

[Clonefan94]

One thing I would like about Fulmer at ISU, is that I think he would be able to put together a really nice staff. A staff that if he decided to up and leave, may leave us with someone worth promoting to HC jobs. Rather than demoting them and then leaving us high and dry.

Honestly, I don't know much about the guy other than his name and where he coached. I don't think you have that kind of success and program by hiring chump assistants though.

 

[Palmer]

I think that's JP's job to sort out.

I honestly don't know, but, while I think Fulmer is a good coach, I don't know if he's the right fit for ISU right now. Maybe if we fast forwarded 4 or 5 years and the program was a consistent 6 or 7 win program (which is what we should hope for out of the next coach, IMO), a guy like him could step in and take it to the next level, but he doesn't have the "building" on his resume anywhere, which is of great concern to me at this point.

if you want to tear down one option...you should provide another! :yes:

 

[Clonefan32]

Unbelievable to me that some of you are so anti-Phillip Fulmer. While I think the likelihood of us signing him up are slim to none, the fact that you think we can lure a better, higher-profile coach to Ames is nuts. Can you remember the last time we EVER got our first choice as a new coach to come here?

I think that 3-4 years ago if you were to list the top 10 coaches in college football Fulmer's name is on that list. I know some of you seem to feel as though he fell off because of his record last year, but mind you he was playing in the SEC Championship one year ago.

The guy ran one of the top football programs in college football and some of you are just ho-humming these rumors. Who would be better? Who knows more about success? Who knows more about exciting donors, and generating money? Who knows more about bringing in top recruiting classes?

Think what you will be I would be elated if we brought in PF. For those of you that are not, I supppose we can wait around until Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Nick Saban or Les Miles decide they want to quit their jobs and come to Ames.

 

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I don't get how building is any diffferent? Do coaches coach differently? Do they recruit differently? Do they hire different assistants?

Coaching is coaching. The only difference between building and not building is consistency of the product.

I think there's a different mentality required to "build" than there is to "maintain" a program. You aren't going to have the same quality of recruits. You aren't going to have the same options. You're going to take measured risks that you wouldn't have to take at a program with a recent track record of success. You're going to have to accept that you are going to be bad sometimes. Sometimes REALLY bad. I don't know that one is harder than the other, and I don't know that a coach can't be good at both, but I certainly think there's a difference.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Fulmer to me would be a very bland hire. He's very laid back on the sidelines and has been underachieving, thus he got canned. He's used to having great talent and recruiting base is probably the southeast, and I don't think you get many good kids to come up here as it's SEC country. The guy just comes accross as very boring to me. If we're going to go the older experienced route I'd rather have more of a fireball like Pat Hill who has continued to have success and didn't just get canned.

 

[Cyclonepride]

One thing I would like about Fulmer at ISU, is that I think he would be able to put together a really nice staff. A staff that if he decided to up and leave, may leave us with someone worth promoting to HC jobs. Rather than demoting them and then leaving us high and dry.

Honestly, I don't know much about the guy other than his name and where he coached. I don't think you have that kind of success and program by hiring chump assistants though.

I think it would be a great scenario to groom an assistant to take over after Fulmer is done. I see "Fulmer done" as retirement though. I do not see why he would be interested in another position just to secure something better.

 

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Unbelievable to me that some of you are so anti-Phillip Fulmer. While I think the likelihood of us signing him up are slim to none, the fact that you think we can lure a better, higher-profile coach to Ames is nuts. Can you remember the last time we EVER got our first choice as a new coach to come here?

I think that 3-4 years ago if you were to list the top 10 coaches in college football Fulmer's name is on that list. I know some of you seem to feel as though he fell off because of his record last year, but mind you he was playing in the SEC Championship one year ago.

The guy ran one of the top football programs in college football and some of you are just ho-humming these rumors. Who would be better? Who knows more about success? Who knows more about exciting donors, and generating money? Who knows more about bringing in top recruiting classes?

Think what you will be I would be elated if we brought in PF. For those of you that are not, I supppose we can wait around until Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Nick Saban or Les Miles decide they want to quit their jobs and come to Ames.

Urban Meyer started at Bowling Green before Utah hired him. Bob Stoops was DC at Florida before Oklahoma hired him. Nick Saban was the DC for the Cleveland Browns before Michigan State hired him. Les Miles was was the Cowboys tight ends coach before Oklahoma state hired him.

At ISU we can't afford to hire those top tier coaches when they are top tier coaches, so we need to get them before they become top tier coaches, IMO. That's where JP makes his money.

That's where he failed with Chizik. Or as I prefer to think of it, where Chizik failed ISU.

 

[Palmer]

Urban Meyer started at Bowling Green before Utah hired him. Bob Stoops was DC at Florida before Oklahoma hired him. Nick Saban was the DC for the Cleveland Browns before Michigan State hired him. Les Miles was was the Cowboys tight ends coach before Oklahoma state hired him.

At ISU we can't afford to hire those top tier coaches when they are top tier coaches, so we need to get them before they become top tier coaches, IMO. That's where JP makes his money.

That's where he failed with Chizik. Or as I prefer to think of it, where Chizik failed ISU.

again....who do you suggest that trumps Fulmer?

 

[cybsball20]

Fulmer to me would be a very bland hire. He's very laid back on the sidelines and has been underachieving, thus he got canned Maybe I have been watching a different Phil Fulmer the last 15 years, but I wouldn't call him laid back by any means.... He's used to having great talent and recruiting base is probably the southeast, and I don't think you get many good kids to come up here as it's SEC country. Like I said before, Fulmer recruits nationally alot more than most SEC schools. They had recruiting contacts all over the place. The guy just comes accross as very boring to me. If we're going to go the older experienced route I'd rather have more of a fireball like Pat Hill who has continued to have success and didn't just get canned.You are aware that Pat Hill is on the hot seat, right?

 

[CloneFan03]

Re: Who is he thinking of?

Ditka

Why has no one brought up Sarah Palin?

 

[mike4cy]

Re: Phillip Fulmer

So do you want to hire a guy who can apparently make that happen again?



If he's so great, why did TN fire him?

So by your logic Tommy Tuberville would be a bad hire as well? I think Fullmer would be great.

 

[CyinCo]

That's where he failed with Chizik. Or as I prefer to think of it, where Chizik failed ISU.

Yes, Chizik failed ISU. There is no way Jamie knows that two years from the hiring Chizik (a hot commidity at the time) that Chizik would bend him over.

Jamie did a great job then and I hope he does a great job now.

 

[Palmer]

you anti-Fulmer cult are crazy. :wacko:

98% of ISU fans would sell grandma's kidneys for Fulmer to sign.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Re: Phillip Fulmer

I think I ran off at the mouth a little there...I don't think he has ran the program into the ground but in the last 5-6 years UT has had some of the most underachieving teams in college football. The talent UT gets is just sick. And actually the talent in the program right now is at a all time low.

I wouldn't be pissed if he got the job because I think he would keep most of the players/commits we have and build on that...but don't think Fulmer strikes the fear X/O's wise into any coach in the SEC because he does not.

I think the other point that is missed is the last 5-6 years the SEC has almost unquestionably been the best conference in the land. Over that time Fulmer has a 49-27 record (.645 winning % - not horribly off his .745 career %) as well as 3 division titles and two trips to the SEC championship game.

I don't know - I guess I just think too much is being made of his last 5-6 years there.