Phillip Fulmer interested per Cotlar

[dmclone]

The problem is that the Orange already turned ISU down.

 

[BryceC]

One last thing - There is a reason why the Fulmer Cup is called the Fulmer Cup.

I would like him as our coach because I think it'd get donors fired up but I don't think he would do any better on the field than a lot of other guys.

 

[JRE1975]

Did I see someone say that Fulmer has the same agent as Chizik?

If so, I think I smell a rat and it would be the agent trying to get back at Jamie for some of the things he said about Chizik. Putting Fulmer's name out there would set the bar pretty high for Jamie and make him look bad with anyone else he hires.

The reason I think this is if Fulmer was interested his agent would have contacted JP and it would have all been very quiet, not giving a "tip" from a "good" source that says Fulmer is interested. The only thing that would surprise me is they picked Cotlar to dupe instead of Marty!

Just a thought. I like conspiracy theory movies!

 

[dmclone]

BTW-I'll take a crappy steak over the most delicious orange.

 

[cybsball20]

Gill has been beating teams like Ohio and Akron..

Fullmer has been beating teams like Georgia and Florida...

We need a guy that can beat Colorado, K-State, Nebraska, Kansas, and Mizzu... I'd go with the guy who has been through the real battles..

 

[jumbopackage]

That was not my point...the intended point was to show that using someone else's record late in their career is not a valid argument.

You can't toss out JoePa though as an example of that, though. He's been on the same team the whole time.

Fulmer could win 10 games next year at TN if he stuck around. He's not likely going to win 10 or even 8 at ISU.

This is essentially the "Joe Namath should never have played for the Rams" or "Joe Montana should never have played for the Chiefs" or "Ditka should never have coached the Saints" argument, not the "JoePa should retire because he's had some bad seasons" one.

I don't know how you can get a much more valid comparison than Johnny Majors and Phil Fulmer to illustrate my concern.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Did I see someone say that Fulmer has the same agent as Chizik?

If so, I think I smell a rat and it would be the agent trying to get back at Jamie for some of the things he said about Chizik. Putting Fulmer's name out there would set the bar pretty high for Jamie and make him look bad with anyone else he hires.

The reason I think this is if Fulmer was interested his agent would have contacted JP and it would have all been very quiet, not giving a "tip" from a "good" source that says Fulmer is interested. The only thing that would surprise me is they picked Cotlar to dupe instead of Marty!

Just a thought. I like conspiracy theory movies!

I don't think Fulmer would play along, but agents are the things that reside underneath the slime under a rock, so I can see where you are going with that. Hope you're wrong.

 

[sloaner]

The question is more "what is the definition of proven" than "what can be done at ISU", IMO, if we are looking for a proven coach.

Turner Gill would be a better hire for ISU, IMO, than Phil Fulmer. Does Turner Gill's record and resume match Phil Fulmer's in terms of success at the BCS conference level? Certainly not.

But what he did at Buffalo is way closer to what needs to be done at ISU than what Fulmer has done at TN.

It's really an oranges to steak comparison. While steak makes for a much more satisfying meal than an orange does, if you've got scurvy the orange is probably a much better thing to eat.

I understand your point of view although I may not agree with it. There would still be no guarantees that Gill could turn ISU into a winner. How do we know that Gill has turned around the Buffalo program. He has one winning season at Buffalo. DMAC had a 9 win season at ISU and we see where that got him.

Not saying that TG is a bad choice, just saying that PF may not be a bad choice either.


P.S. I really like Turner Gill and think he would do a great job at ISU

 

[sloaner]

You can't toss out JoePa though as an example of that, though. He's been on the same team the whole time.

Fulmer could win 10 games next year at TN if he stuck around. He's not likely going to win 10 or even 8 at ISU.

This is essentially the "Joe Namath should never have played for the Rams" or "Joe Montana should never have played for the Chiefs" or "Ditka should never have coached the Saints" argument, not the "JoePa should retire because he's had some bad seasons" one.

I don't know how you can get a much more valid comparison than Johnny Majors and Phil Fulmer to illustrate my concern.

Because Phil Fulmer is NOT Johnny Majors. Heck ISU is not Pitt...it could turn out worse than your example.

 

[jumbopackage]

Gill is gone.

Who would you pokemon against Fulmer now?

The problem is that the Orange already turned ISU down.

BTW-I'll take a crappy steak over the most delicious orange.

And you'd die of scurvy with a full belly, I guess.

Gill has been beating teams like Ohio and Akron..

Fullmer has been beating teams like Georgia and Florida...

We need a guy that can beat Colorado, K-State, Nebraska, Kansas, and Mizzu... I'd go with the guy who has been through the real battles..

But he's been beating them with freaking Buffalo. If you put Patton in charge of the mujaheddin, he probably wouldn't have done so well against the Russains in Afghanistan. It doesn't mean he wasn't a great leader, just that maybe he wasn't suited for that job.

Fulmer has been through the real battles with an established program with tradition. He hasn't been through them EVER with a team that isn't that.

I guess my point in this all is that it takes more than just a GOOD coach to win at ISU, it takes the RIGHT coach who also is a GOOD coach.

 

[Palmer]

And you'd die of scurvy with a full belly, I guess.



But he's been beating them with freaking Buffalo. If you put Patton in charge of the mujaheddin, he probably wouldn't have done so well against the Russains in Afghanistan. It doesn't mean he wasn't a great leader, just that maybe he wasn't suited for that job.

Fulmer has been through the real battles with an established program with tradition. He hasn't been through them EVER with a team that isn't that.

I guess my point in this all is that it takes more than just a GOOD coach to win at ISU, it takes the RIGHT coach who also is a GOOD coach.

and who is that? Please don't drop a Loney Farley on me

 

[sloaner]

And you'd die of scurvy with a full belly, I guess.



But he's been beating them with freaking Buffalo. If you put Patton in charge of the mujaheddin, he probably wouldn't have done so well against the Russains in Afghanistan. It doesn't mean he wasn't a great leader, just that maybe he wasn't suited for that job.

Fulmer has been through the real battles with an established program with tradition. He hasn't been through them EVER with a team that isn't that.

I guess my point in this all is that it takes more than just a GOOD coach to win at ISU, it takes the RIGHT coach who also is a GOOD coach.

I agree, the problem is the right coach is not something that is overly apparent until we actually find him and he has done the job. Until that happens all we can do is have faith.

 

[chuckd4735]

Did I see someone say that Fulmer has the same agent as Chizik?

If so, I think I smell a rat and it would be the agent trying to get back at Jamie for some of the things he said about Chizik. Putting Fulmer's name out there would set the bar pretty high for Jamie and make him look bad with anyone else he hires.

The reason I think this is if Fulmer was interested his agent would have contacted JP and it would have all been very quiet, not giving a "tip" from a "good" source that says Fulmer is interested. The only thing that would surprise me is they picked Cotlar to dupe instead of Marty!

Just a thought. I like conspiracy theory movies!

Keeping this rumor on track...

The source came from a person who knows Cotler who knows Fulmer who heard directly from Fulmer's mouth that he was interested in the ISU job. There have been no confirmations or sources that say it has gone beyond Fulmer simply saying he would be interested in the ISU job.

 

[Cyclonepride]

And you'd die of scurvy with a full belly, I guess.



But he's been beating them with freaking Buffalo. If you put Patton in charge of the mujaheddin, he probably wouldn't have done so well against the Russains in Afghanistan. It doesn't mean he wasn't a great leader, just that maybe he wasn't suited for that job.

Fulmer has been through the real battles with an established program with tradition. He hasn't been through them EVER with a team that isn't that.

I guess my point in this all is that it takes more than just a GOOD coach to win at ISU, it takes the RIGHT coach who also is a GOOD coach.

Ricardo Patton is a terrorist? Source, please

 

[CyCy]

I think Jamie is looking for a guy on the way up, not the way down.

Interesting to look at Earle Bruce's record.

Tampa 10-2
ISU 36-32
Ohio State 81-26-1
UNI 5-6
Colorado State 22-24-1

Don't know if he lost the fire or what, but never came close to his Ohio State success after he left.

 

[twistedredbird]

would Fulmer coming to ISU be like Bobby Knight going to Texas Tech....A legacy coach without the brand, just produce competitive mediocrity.

 

[StLouisClone]

Gill is gone.

Who would you pokemon against Fulmer now?

I think we need to pick the next Turner Gill. Could that be Charlie Strong?

- Strong is 48 now, Gill was 43 when he started at Buffalo.
- Strong has been at Florida for 13 years, Gill was at Nebraska for 14 years.
- Both were very loyal, long-time assistant coaches who had something to prove.
- Both were very good players at their respective schools (C. Arkansas and Nebraska)
- Both are known as good recruiters.

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[mustangcy]

Re: Phillip Fulmer

He did? He was only the head coach there for 17 years and in that time had 2 losing seasons. With the exception of those two years and his first season (when he went 4-0), the guy has never won less than 8 games.

Yeah, this guy really drove his program into the ground...

I think I ran off at the mouth a little there...I don't think he has ran the program into the ground but in the last 5-6 years UT has had some of the most underachieving teams in college football. The talent UT gets is just sick. And actually the talent in the program right now is at a all time low.

I wouldn't be pissed if he got the job because I think he would keep most of the players/commits we have and build on that...but don't think Fulmer strikes the fear X/O's wise into any coach in the SEC because he does not.

 

[Cydkar]

Keeping this rumor on track...

The source came from a person who knows Cotler who knows Fulmer who heard directly from Fulmer's mouth that he was interested in the ISU job. There have been no confirmations or sources that say it has gone beyond Fulmer simply saying he would be interested in the ISU job.

That's just irresponsible.:smile:

 

[twistedredbird]

I think we need to pick the next Turner Gill. Could that be Charlie Strong?

- Strong is 48 now, Gill was 43 when he started at Buffalo.
- Strong has been at Florida for 13 years, Gill was at Nebraska for 14 years.
- Both were very loyal, long-time assistant coaches who had something to prove.
- Both were very good players at their respective schools (C. Arkansas and Nebraska)
- Both are known as good recruiters.

University of Florida Athletics ***GatorZone.com***

Definately an interesting option....though I don't know if I want to roll the dice with another coordinator....but I would take him over Norvell.