Phillip Fulmer interested per Cotlar
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Agreed.
I think Jamie did do a great job then, and I'm sure he will now as well.
I also don't want to come across as completely anti-Fulmer. I think he would be a good hire, and certainly would help the program in a variety of ways at least in the short term.
I just have no more or less hope that he would translate into Ws on the field than most of the other guys that have been mentioned.
People seem to like to think that there are only two sides to every debate, when the reality is there are thousands of shades of grey in between black and white. I think a Fulmer hire would be somewhere in that grey area.
None of us are doing the hiring, just want to clarify. If you think Jamie is spending one second reading this... WOW! So many of you keep talking that we can't ignore X... Step back and realize we have no idea who Jamie is talking to. He knows what he's doing, he has many contacts, he has a plan and is trying to find a guy that fits in that plan.
If said plan is just to get money now, Fulmer would be awesome.
If he thinks that we have a lot of talent, and we need to produce wins regardless of the season tickets sold, then he will hire the guy he believes can coach no matter what the name.
Chizik fit his plan, and Chizik fulfilled that for the first two years minus the wins. (sold tickets and renewed passion in the fans)
Fulmer would bring recognition, money, excitement, etc... I feel there are coaches that can coach Xs and Os and do it with blue-collar guys. There are other coaches that can coach pedigrees, but not blue-collar guys. I think Ferentz has great success with the 3 star guys because they listen to the stuff about hard work, and they struggled after they got those hype players. 4 and 5 star guys believe it will just happen. Is it possible that Fulmer just got bit by the "Me-5-star guys"? Let's face it, look at the guys like this, Terrel Owens, DeSean Jackson, etc... They don't care about anybody else but themselves. I'm pretty sure that Ferentz has a poster in their locker room about hard work beats talent every day, or something along those lines.
I think our talented youth would listen and work their butts into the ground for Fulmer. Just my $.02...
If said plan is just to get money now, Fulmer would be awesome.
If he thinks that we have a lot of talent, and we need to produce wins regardless of the season tickets sold, then he will hire the guy he believes can coach no matter what the name.
Chizik fit his plan, and Chizik fulfilled that for the first two years minus the wins. (sold tickets and renewed passion in the fans)
Fulmer would bring recognition, money, excitement, etc... I feel there are coaches that can coach Xs and Os and do it with blue-collar guys. There are other coaches that can coach pedigrees, but not blue-collar guys. I think Ferentz has great success with the 3 star guys because they listen to the stuff about hard work, and they struggled after they got those hype players. 4 and 5 star guys believe it will just happen. Is it possible that Fulmer just got bit by the "Me-5-star guys"? Let's face it, look at the guys like this, Terrel Owens, DeSean Jackson, etc... They don't care about anybody else but themselves. I'm pretty sure that Ferentz has a poster in their locker room about hard work beats talent every day, or something along those lines.
I think our talented youth would listen and work their butts into the ground for Fulmer. Just my $.02...
Those of you who want a power running brand of football should be all over the Fulmer possibility because that's what you would get...
Re: Phillip Fulmer
No kidding. I would have no reason to believe we couldn't compete with NU and Mizzou in the North. Would the anti-Fulmers be all that upset at winning 7-8 games and competing for the North every year??
The worst that happens is we do the same as now, and last I checked, we all have survived. It's kind of sucked, but we're all still alive and well.
The likely scenario is we become respectable in a year or so and go to some bowl games on somewhat of a regular basis.
The best case scenario is we can compete with some of the south teams as well.
We wouldn't have much to lose and only everything to gain with Fulmer. You can look at his "decline" and figure perhaps he didn't have the top talent in the SEC anymore, but if we could get a recruiting class that averages 3 stars that would be a huge upgrade for ISU and I think Fulmer could do that for sure.
No kidding. I would have no reason to believe we couldn't compete with NU and Mizzou in the North. Would the anti-Fulmers be all that upset at winning 7-8 games and competing for the North every year??
The worst that happens is we do the same as now, and last I checked, we all have survived. It's kind of sucked, but we're all still alive and well.
The likely scenario is we become respectable in a year or so and go to some bowl games on somewhat of a regular basis.
The best case scenario is we can compete with some of the south teams as well.
We wouldn't have much to lose and only everything to gain with Fulmer. You can look at his "decline" and figure perhaps he didn't have the top talent in the SEC anymore, but if we could get a recruiting class that averages 3 stars that would be a huge upgrade for ISU and I think Fulmer could do that for sure.
The knock on Fulmer is that he didn't do so well without assistant coach David Cutcliffe around to coach offense and work with QBs.
With Cutcliffe went to Ole Miss, Tennessee suffered.
When Cutcliffe got fired there and was rehired by Fulmer, Tennessee went back up again.
Then when Cutcliffe left again and went to Duke as HC, the Vols went in the dumper.
Pollard shouldn't be looking at Fulmer, but instead David Cutlciffe.
With Cutcliffe went to Ole Miss, Tennessee suffered.
When Cutcliffe got fired there and was rehired by Fulmer, Tennessee went back up again.
Then when Cutcliffe left again and went to Duke as HC, the Vols went in the dumper.
Pollard shouldn't be looking at Fulmer, but instead David Cutlciffe.
cysball20-Pat Hill isn't high on my list either, but I just haven't been impressed watching Fullmer on the sidelines and the few Vol fans I've known have been griping about Fulmer the last few years. Don't know if it's boring offense (outside of Peyton) or what. He does not seem like a motivated high energy coach to me, and maybe that's the wrong perception, but it's what I see. Obviously recruiting ISU will take a lot more enthusiasm and hard work than recruiting to Tennessee. I see him as a guy who's had some high level success and may be looking to coast into the sunset, and maybe that wouldn't turn out to be the case, but I'm just not crazy about what little I have seen and heard about him. Somebody compared him to the Johnny Orr hire, but I don't see much similarity. Johnny hadn't been fired, was a lot younger, and seems to me had a lot more enthusiasm and energy.
I think mines shot too... So I guess Ill give mine for Fulmer... and then we can give my grandmas for Charlie Strong to come up and Be the D coordinator.
Hello All,
Tennessee fan here. The Fulmer going to ISU are starting to pop up on our message boards so I thought I would come out and see what cyclone fans were saying.
I think Fulmer will be a good pick up for someone. There are not a lot of Tennessee fans that have much use for him now, and I would caution anyone from getting to excited about it. I have no idea if he would come to ISU or not, but don't expect any confrence titles or BCS bowls in the future. The best thing he could so for you would be to boost your appeal to recruits. I would think the best scenario would be for him to come in and use his name to build a staff and recruits, then back away in a few years when the right people are in place.
Tennessee fan here. The Fulmer going to ISU are starting to pop up on our message boards so I thought I would come out and see what cyclone fans were saying.
I think Fulmer will be a good pick up for someone. There are not a lot of Tennessee fans that have much use for him now, and I would caution anyone from getting to excited about it. I have no idea if he would come to ISU or not, but don't expect any confrence titles or BCS bowls in the future. The best thing he could so for you would be to boost your appeal to recruits. I would think the best scenario would be for him to come in and use his name to build a staff and recruits, then back away in a few years when the right people are in place.
This would be a concern for me with Fulmer. Would he be excited to be coaching ISU? My guess is no. To succeed at ISU, you're going to have to be passionate about it. I think that's one lesson we can take from McCarney's time here.
Careful VolFan1---most people on here have no use for common sense and sound reasoning. :no:
I think you're right though---he would build excitement, get us access to better recruits, and hopefully build up a good staff. From where ISU is right now, that would be a good thing.
I would compare it to Johnny Orr. A high profile coach that a majority of high school kids would recognize the name. Coordinators would also look at this as a great stepping stone to bigger name schools. Bottom line is he has much more success at TU than any other coach we have had ala Johnny. Maybe Jack Trice Magic becomes a battle cry!
Hearing it from Jimmy Hyams on sports talk down here...maybe you can find a link on the web looking for him.
I guess my opinion is that Fulmer's record doesn't support that assertion (other than maybe this one year). Cutcliffe was at Ole Miss from 1998 - 2004. Without him during this stretch Fulmer had a 69-20 record, his lone National Championship, 4 division titles, and a record no worse than 8-5 (which, yes, by Tennessee standards is considered bad). Cutcliffe comes back in 2005 and Fulmer has his first losing season at Tennessee. Granted, Cutcliffe probably gets a lot of credit for the 1998 championship team even though he wasn't there and probably doesn't get nearly as much blame for 2005 because that was his first season back, but the perceptions that the Tennessee program went to hell in a handbasket as soon as Cutcliffe left and then magically got better as soon as he returned just isn't supported by Fulmer's record over the last decade.
Any college coach or coordinator has the fire. To say he would come here and not expect to win is ludicrous. These guys have huge egos that need to be stroked or they wouldnt be in the position they are in. This guy has won an NC not to mention SEC division and conference titles. Belittle his record of the past few years but to question his drive is ????