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Phillip Fulmer interested per Cotlar

I'm not saying it wouldn't be an interesting hire, but if ANYONE expects him to come in here and build ISU into a BCS Bowl team in 2 years is insane.

He took over a very solid program in TN and maintained it at a high level for a long time. What he has NEVER done is taken a program in ISU's shape and made it into a winner. He's got 15 years of head coaching experience, ALL at TN. He's never had to deal with being on a team that's not at a high level. In that regard, he is very much unproven.
 
Re: Phillip Fulmer

mustangcy said:
Really? He just took UT with all the built in advantages it has and ran it into the ground. My uncle was an all-american at UT and still has ties to the school...let's say he's not a huge fan of PF.
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You say he ran a good team into the ground. I say he is a turn-around artist. Yes, my glass is half full.

Sign up the turn-around artist! Just what we need!
 
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jumbopackage said:
Again, that's all looking into the past. The guy is on the backside of his career at this point, IMO.

If you want evidence of what I'm worried about, look no further than Johnny Majors.

In his 16 years at Tennessee he went 120-62-8, for an average record of roughly 8-4 with 3 SEC championships and finished in the top 10 3 times.

He ended at Tennessee on a 5 win season, and then went on to coach at Pitt for 4 years. His seasons there?
3-8
3-8
2-9
4-7
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JoePa has been in the backside of his career for years and he just had an 11 win season.

We can throw numerous examples back and forth, but when it comes down to it, there are no guarantees that any of the coaches that have been mentioned would/will have success at their next coaching destination.
 
jumbopackage said:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be an interesting hire, but if ANYONE expects him to come in here and build ISU into a BCS Bowl team in 2 years is insane.
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Can you show us where people are saying that? I'm not seeing it.

I agree with your point, but I have yet to see this level of expectation. However, I'm certain it would surface eventually if he landed here. ;)
 
jumbopackage said:
Again, that's all looking into the past. The guy is on the backside of his career at this point, IMO.

If you want evidence of what I'm worried about, look no further than Johnny Majors.

In his 16 years at Tennessee he went 120-62-8, for an average record of roughly 8-4 with 3 SEC championships and finished in the top 10 3 times.

He ended at Tennessee on a 5 win season, and then went on to coach at Pitt for 4 years. His seasons there?
3-8
3-8
2-9
4-7
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That's a very good analogy. I'm also not blown away by Fullmer.
 
jumbopackage said:
I'm not saying it wouldn't be an interesting hire, but if ANYONE expects him to come in here and build ISU into a BCS Bowl team in 2 years is insane.

He took over a very solid program in TN and maintained it at a high level for a long time. What he has NEVER done is taken a program in ISU's shape and made it into a winner. He's got 15 years of head coaching experience, ALL at TN. He's never had to deal with being on a team that's not at a high level. In that regard, he is very much unproven.
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How many coaches have taken ISU and made it into a winner?

I am not saying it can not be done, but there is no way any of us can guarantee that any of the coaches can come in and make ISU a winner.

No matter who the next coach is, I will continue to donate way too much money (well until my wife makes me stop) and support the team 100%.
 
ISUFan22 said:
Can you show us where people are saying that? I'm not seeing it.
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"Come on, a Fulmer hire would be like winning a BCS bowl this year because it would almost ensure one in the next few years."

Boom goes the dynamite!
 
ISUFan22 said:
Can you show us where people are saying that? I'm not seeing it.

I agree with your point, but I have yet to see this level of expectation. However, I'm certain it would surface eventually if he landed here. ;)
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go back like 10 posts, Cy Hard says it.
 
Because people seem to be overly convinced that Fulmer let the Tennessee program "go"...

1992 4-0 2-0
1993 10-2 7-1
1994 8-4 5-3
1995 11-1 7-1
1996 10-2 7-1
1997 11-2 7-1
1998 13-0 8-0
1999 9-3 6-2
2000 8-4 5-3
2001 11-2 7-1
2002 8-5 5-3
2003 10-3 6-2
2004 10-3 7-1
2005 5-6 3-5
2006 9-4 5-3
2007 10-4 6-2
2008 5-7 3-5

So tell me - when exactly did Fulmer's career officially begin to "slide?" Yeah, 2005 & 2008 aren't the greatest - but even then they are better than anything we've done lately. And even then 2005 was followed by two years of football that Tennessee had grown accustomed to over his tenure.
 
sloaner said:
JoePa has been in the backside of his career for years and he just had an 11 win season.

We can throw numerous examples back and forth, but when it comes down to it, there are no guarantees that any of the coaches that have been mentioned would/will have success at their next coaching destination.
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JoePA hasn't coached that team in a VERY long time, IMO. He's a figurehead. If he was on the market, would ISU want to hire him? How about Bowden? It's not a question of whether they can win where they are (or were), but if they can win at ISU.

ISUFan22 said:
Can you show us where people are saying that? I'm not seeing it.

I agree with your point, but I have yet to see this level of expectation. However, I'm certain it would surface eventually if he landed here. ;)
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Cy Hard said:
As unlikely as it would be for Fulmer to come here, these threads have proven that there will ALWAYS be people finding a reason to *****. Come on, a Fulmer hire would be like winning a BCS bowl this year because it would almost ensure one in the next few years.
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Fulmer's pluses....

recruiting, winning, SEC experience, staff, etc. One yr of missing expectations & TN fired him.........geeze, there are fan rumblings about Les Miles at LSU after his 'so-so' yr! That conference is by and large a coaches graveyard and in fact a marker is being etched for one GC as we speak. If Fulmer wants to come to ISU, we should take a hard look.
 
cys_av8r said:
We could hire Pete Carroll with Urban Meyer as DC and Bob Stoops as OC and someone on here would *****.
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I'm just convinced there are a few people on this site that would rather hire someone that MIGHT get us to 6-7 wins a year instead of hiring someone that MIGHT get us to 9-10 wins a year. Why that is? I dunno. Maybe the same folk also appeared on Mad TV's "Lowered Expectations"...
 
jumbopackage said:
JoePA hasn't coached that team in a VERY long time, IMO. He's a figurehead. If he was on the market, would ISU want to hire him? How about Bowden? It's not a question of whether they can win where they are (or were), but if they can win at ISU.
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That was not my point...the intended point was to show that using someone else's record late in their career is not a valid argument.
 
This is great!

Much more fun talking about Fulmer > weak talk regarding Loney/Farley having a shot.

My Thursday is going to whizz bye!
 
sloaner said:
How many coaches have taken ISU and made it into a winner?

I am not saying it can not be done, but there is no way any of us can guarantee that any of the coaches can come in and make ISU a winner.

No matter who the next coach is, I will continue to donate way too much money (well until my wife makes me stop) and support the team 100%.
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The question is more "what is the definition of proven" than "what can be done at ISU", IMO, if we are looking for a proven coach.

Turner Gill would be a better hire for ISU, IMO, than Phil Fulmer. Does Turner Gill's record and resume match Phil Fulmer's in terms of success at the BCS conference level? Certainly not.

But what he did at Buffalo is way closer to what needs to be done at ISU than what Fulmer has done at TN.

It's really an oranges to steak comparison. While steak makes for a much more satisfying meal than an orange does, if you've got scurvy the orange is probably a much better thing to eat.
 
jumbopackage said:
The question is more "what is the definition of proven" than "what can be done at ISU", IMO, if we are looking for a proven coach.

Turner Gill would be a better hire for ISU, IMO, than Phil Fulmer. Does Turner Gill's record and resume match Phil Fulmer's in terms of success at the BCS conference level? Certainly not.

But what he did at Buffalo is way closer to what needs to be done at ISU than what Fulmer has done at TN.

It's really an oranges to steak comparison. While steak makes for a much more satisfying meal than an orange does, if you've got scurvy the orange is probably a much better thing to eat.
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Gill is gone.

Who would you pokemon against Fulmer now?
 
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