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[BoxsterCy]

Link?

 

[awd4cy]

That’s better than Fred losing to a midmajor we should always beat. No loss in the past 7 years has been more disappointing from a coaching perspective than UAB. Not a good look for Hoiberg.

Agreed. Also a bad look for Coach K losing to Mercer. He’s probably not a hall of fame coach now for that.

 

[CycloneErik]

Agreed. Also a bad look for Coach K losing to Mercer. He’s probably not a hall of fame coach now for that.

And Norfolk State. Who does that back to back?

 

[cycopath25]

This was the team photo after Saturday's game against Tennessee

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[Cat Stevens]

And Norfolk State. Who does that back to back?

Don’t forget Lehigh.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Agreed. Also a bad look for Coach K losing to Mercer. He’s probably not a hall of fame coach now for that.

Coach K has lost to good P5 teams in the Sweet 16, so he was never Hall of Fame material anyways.

Do you think losing to Mercer in the first round is far worse than losing in the Sweet 16 to a good team?

 

[BryceC]

Losing by 18 to Milwaukee has to rank up there?

1. Hampton
2. UAB
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Then Milwaukee.

 

[BryceC]

13-14 was disappointing because the ending was due to an injury. 14-15 was disappointing because of the 2nd place Big 12 finish, Big 12 Tourney Champs but getting beat by UAB.

15-16 was disappointing because of the 6th place (10-8) regular season and first round exit in the Big 12 tourney. The Sweet 16 appearance was great and we beat who we had to beat to get there and did so in convincing fashion.

I couldn't have even guessed what the regular season conference finishes of those years were. Literally meaningless to me. '15 they were a 3 seed and '16 they were a 4 seed. In the eyes of the committee, they were basically almost exactly the same quality of team.

The difference is that one made the Sweet 16 and one lost a historic upset game in the first round of the tournament.

How an ISU fan can be disappointed with a sweet 16 season is utterly mind blowing to me. And I went to Chicago to watch us get our butt kicked live too.

 

[jsb]

Have they ever scored on an out of bounds play after a time out?

Surprisingly they had a really nice one on Saturday. I think it was Babb to Talley.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Remember to save some hate for Kansas. If you use up ALL of your hate on our own team and our coach you won't have any left for Kansas.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I know when Morris graduated, point I'm trying to make is they both were veterans and upperclassmen by that point.

And yeah, losing Naz did hurt that year, I just think he was about the 6th or 7th most talented player on that team, we should have been able to absorb that better.

Well then, if that is your feeling, you better blame CFH then, since our back-up guards were Jordan Ashton and Hallice Cooke; serviceable role players and by all accounts good teammates (at least in Ashton's case), but nothing more than that. Put them together and I still don't think they were very close to the caliber of player that Naz was.

And yes, since they were...wait for it...CFH recruits, blame CFH for that team not being able to "absorb it better".

Of course, this is meaningless to you, since you've refused to give Prohm a fair shake from the very beginning.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I couldn't have even guessed what the regular season conference finishes of those years were. Literally meaningless to me. '15 they were a 3 seed and '16 they were a 4 seed. In the eyes of the committee, they were basically almost exactly the same quality of team.

The difference is that one made the Sweet 16 and one lost a historic upset game in the first round of the tournament.

How an ISU fan can be disappointed with a sweet 16 season is utterly mind blowing to me. And I went to Chicago to watch us get our butt kicked live too.

Because it is not about the team. It’s about the coach, and who he replaced.

 

[ISUChippewa]

So 15-6 (2014-15) between regular season/post season Big 12 is somehow worse than 10-9 (2015-16) because a team played poorly for a single day. Body of work people.

Look, I get your point about body of work, and I agree with you. But, if people are honestly crapping on Prohm-coached teams for winning NCAA tournament games against double-digit, mid-major teams (and I repeat, crap on a coach and team for WINNING GAMES in the NCAA tournament, which is one of the five dumbest things I've ever seen on this board), then people can definitely crap on the '14-15 team for losing an NCAA tournament game that we had no business losing.

That's only fair, is it not?

 

[ISUChippewa]

Lots of dumb in this thread which is saying something coming from me

The only fan boards I frequent are this one and PantherNation.com (UNI), so I don't have a great sample size to compare them to, but I would say (with some bias) that I think by and large, we are a pretty intelligent groups of fans compared to the larger population as a whole. And it does seem like national sports media who focus on college basketball, as well as the occasional coach, are very complimentary of the fans at Hilton for being knowledgeable.

With that being written, probably because most of our fans are fairly intelligent and know what they're talking about, when someone writes or says something that is just plain stupid, it really stands out.

I specifically remember when Prohm was hired, there were a couple of posters (and to be fair, I don't think jersebib or rochclone were the guilty culprits) who were so incensed at the hiring that they wrote they could never cheer for ISU basketball or follow it again. For some reason, these posters hated mid-majors more than either the Jayhawks or the Hawkeyes, and HOW DARE ISU HIRE A MID-MAJOR COACH???!!!!??? HOW DARE WE!

It was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. When CycloneFanatic.com gets stupid, it gets really, really, stupendously stupid.

 

[jsb]

Look, I get your point about body of work, and I agree with you. But, if people are honestly crapping on Prohm-coached teams for winning NCAA tournament games against double-digit, mid-major teams (and I repeat, crap on a coach and team for WINNING GAMES in the NCAA tournament, which is one of the five dumbest things I've ever seen on this board), then people can definitely crap on the '14-15 team for losing an NCAA tournament game that we had no business losing.

That's only fair, is it not?

And when you EARN a high seed, you are automatically going to play a double digit seed first. It’s not like it was random luck that we had s 12 in the first game.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Tournament is a crapshoot, to say that season was a total bust because we played horribly against UAB is just as ridiculous as my point of view. I like to look at an entire body of work.

And yet, you are completely willing to minimize a body of work for a team in part because of who we beat in the NCAA tournament.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I don't know. It's not as if expectations were through the roof for this year's team, but it still shouldn't happen. I do know that an early season drubbing pales in comparison to being one of the top eight seeded teams in the tournament and losing in the first round. Not even close. I was pissed after the MIlwaukee game, but I felt physically ill after the UAB game. Huge difference.

Yeah, I'm right with you there.

Another poster alluded to it earlier in the thread, but I physically could not watch another game in the NCAA tournament the rest of that day. Normally I get into the tournament big-time even if ISU and/or UNI aren't involved, but I just couldn't stomach watching any more basketball after that abomination.

 

[rochclone]

I couldn't have even guessed what the regular season conference finishes of those years were. Literally meaningless to me. '15 they were a 3 seed and '16 they were a 4 seed. In the eyes of the committee, they were basically almost exactly the same quality of team.

The difference is that one made the Sweet 16 and one lost a historic upset game in the first round of the tournament.

How an ISU fan can be disappointed with a sweet 16 season is utterly mind blowing to me. And I went to Chicago to watch us get our butt kicked live too.

Look, I get your point about body of work, and I agree with you. But, if people are honestly crapping on Prohm-coached teams for winning NCAA tournament games against double-digit, mid-major teams (and I repeat, crap on a coach and team for WINNING GAMES in the NCAA tournament, which is one of the five dumbest things I've ever seen on this board), then people can definitely crap on the '14-15 team for losing an NCAA tournament game that we had no business losing.

That's only fair, is it not?

This is simply a difference of opinion on how a fan views success on non-conference, conf. season, Big 12 Tourney and NCAA. There are so many upsets in the tournament that I am not going to base the success of a season on a single game. I didn't do for Johnny, Tim, Larry, Wayne, McDermott or Fred. And I sure as hell didn't do it with Prohm when I said prior to WVU road game that 16-17 was a success no matter how the post-season (Big 12 & NCAA) plays out.

I'm not crapping on Prohm for winning the two games in the NCAA but context matters as well. If I had told you that we have a neutral floor game versus Iona & UALR how many of us would have said we need to win both games or I will be extremely disappointed? I would venture to guess that 95% of the fanbase would have expected two wins.

Compare that to 2013-14 when the team beats North Carolina to get to the Sweet 16 after the Niang injury. Not many of us expected that win. Both teams were expected by seed to get to the Sweet 16 but they felt like different accomplishments.

I hope Steve wins every game from Wednesday to eternity but it will not change my opinion about 15-16. I know it is an opinion that people dislike. It is what it is.

 

[isukendall]

Hey, at least we have football!

 

[rochclone]

The only fan boards I frequent are this one and PantherNation.com (UNI), so I don't have a great sample size to compare them to, but I would say (with some bias) that I think by and large, we are a pretty intelligent groups of fans compared to the larger population as a whole. And it does seem like national sports media who focus on college basketball, as well as the occasional coach, are very complimentary of the fans at Hilton for being knowledgeable.

With that being written, probably because most of our fans are fairly intelligent and know what they're talking about, when someone writes or says something that is just plain stupid, it really stands out.

I specifically remember when Prohm was hired, there were a couple of posters (and to be fair, I don't think jersebib or rochclone were the guilty culprits) who were so incensed at the hiring that they wrote they could never cheer for ISU basketball or follow it again. For some reason, these posters hated mid-majors more than either the Jayhawks or the Hawkeyes, and HOW DARE ISU HIRE A MID-MAJOR COACH???!!!!??? HOW DARE WE!

It was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. When CycloneFanatic.com gets stupid, it gets really, really, stupendously stupid.

I wasn't anti-Prohm in the beginning and I'm not anti-Prohm now. I think people have a right to frustrated and voice concerns; even if they are premature. CSP may be the best head coach for ISU which takes a lot of things into consideration (health, recruiting, aspirations, in-game coaching, etc) But can we all just say that Fred was as damn close to an offensive genius as we will ever have at Iowa State. I'm sure it had as much to do with Charlie Henry as it did with Fred. But that staff was brilliant and the X's and O's were the strength.

I just wish we had more of that with the new staff but clearly Prohm loves Iowa State and hopefully he will grow from an in-game coaching standpoint.